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Kneecap - New Footage

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    "Calling on their followers to murder politicians".

    That's a stretch 😂😂

    Maybe if you are mentally unfit and take everything said literally...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,505 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Don't make me go through your history. You're a supporter of Israel. You constantly condemn those who oppose Israel. We can see you your posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭Noworries!


    It's not very good though, is it? Tried different ways of humming it, and it just didn't seem to scan? Or am I missing something? I suppose ultimately it comes down once again to people who are ok with anything once it's "their" side that does it. It will be interesting to see what the police enquiry decides when it's concluded, the sentences around activism in the UK can be pretty harsh. Edit to say supposed to quote Billy Mays earlier post / pic of the ode to Leo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭Noworries!


    And we'll send you home in pine! Fixed it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭itsacoolday


    Are Tory politicians and local MPs in England not people too?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭BP_RS3813


    The issue is some of their fans might actually be mentally unfit and take it literally.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,505 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭itsacoolday


    Of course some of their fan base might be mentally unfit and take it literally. Practically every decade MPs have been murdered in England, the last only 2 years ago. Most MPs have suffered attacks of one kind or another.

    Kneecap's target audience includes dissidents. That is why Kneecap sat on top of what appeared to be a vandalised PSNI land rover. It is why Kneecap said the PSNI were like the RUC, who they also denigrate.

    The world has moved on, pity Kneecap are trying to drag us back to the awful past.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    A sweeping generalisation. Congratulations 😂



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You implied loyalists were noble by stating like it's a fact that they would never do what Kneecap did when they have posters of public officials on their deranged tyre pyres every summer. And there's no both-sidesing here - loyalists are, by the very nature of their ideology, extreme.

    I agree that Kneecap could get their message out without endorsing the murder of tory MPs or shouting in praise of Hamas/Hezbollah - that's a dumb move - but obliteration of children is worse, and loyalists certainly aren't more decent. They're one of the worst hate groups out there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭itsacoolday


    Rubbish. Stop diverting. This thread is about Kneecap, not loyalists. Read what I wrote.

    Of course you get extremists on both sides up there. During the troubles there was plenty of sectarian hate on both sides, and innocent people on both sides getting killed. The para-militaries and extremists on both sides were wrong. However we are talking about incitement to hatred long after the GFA. Has any band on the loyalist side ever got on stage in front of very large crowds,dressed like a dissident or named themselves after something associated with paramilitary torture, and called for the murder of TDs or Irish politicians?? If they have, name such a band. Still waiting for you to answer that question.

    Kneecap have also encouraged dissidents by calling the PSNI the RUC, and appearing in photos sitting on top of what appeared to be vandalised / damaged PSNI land rover etc. Do you really want to see a rise in dissident activity? I would be equally critical if a band on the loyalist side was trying to stoke up hatred and calling for the murder of innocent politicians in a neighbouring country\ and targeting those politicians for criticism.

    Stop diverting to bonfires or anything else : of course you will get individuals on both sides up there putting the other sides posters etc on bonfires. A divisive band like Kneecap who target their message to dissidents - by appearing to be dissidents themselves by sitting doing what they did on top of a seemingly vandalised / damaged PSNI land rover - can only make things worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,989 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Actually that applies to their detractors as evidenced on here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭itsacoolday


    You or Kneecap may not be aware how often some MPs are threatened. For example, one female politician "had received three death threats in one week alone, and another spent her birthday 'dealing with' a constituent who was threatening to slit her throat and those of her staff."

    Another politician spoke of "having to put a restraining order on a constituent who was threatening her safety. Needing to use restraining orders is not unusual."

    Kneecap shouting to a crowd the only good Tory was a dead Tory, and Kill your local MP, did not help the situation. Imagine if half a dozen TDs had been murdered here in living memory, and a band member of a different nationality from overseas came here and urged their followers to murder more TDs? That would not be tolerated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,264 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    What is concern trolling?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You're the one who brought up loyalists first. And you said loyalists would never do similar to what Kneecap did. I have responded. That's how discussion works. Just because my comments in response to YOU bringing up loyalists (not me) are inconvenient, doesn't mean they're irrelevant or derailing. They are direct responses to YOUR claims. And you certainly don't get to dictate to me what to post/not to post. 🙄

    "Do you really want a rise in dissident activity?" Where did I even imply I want that, let alone "really" want it?

    As you know, I never said that there IS a group like Kneecap but with loyalist ideology - I however countered your nonsensical claim that loyalists would never behave in a similar fashion, by giving the example of them calling for politicians' deaths every July (this appears to anger you - truth hurts?) No there aren't bonfires like the 12th in the other community - saying that there are is the height of dishonesty. But anyway, I saw your post elsewhere reducing an Irish person being discriminated against in Britain to a drunk. I know what you're up to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭itsacoolday


    I said there were no loyalist bands playing to large crowds calling for the murder of democratic peaceful politicians in another country, like Kneecap did. Name one if there is. Even a small one, playing to small crowds

    Enough of your whataboutery re bonfires: both sides have had bonfires up North with the other sides political posters on them. You get sectarian and racist people and extremists on both sides.

    If you do not want a rise in dissident activity, why do you applaud Kneecap, who said the PSNI were like the RUC, who said denigrating things about the RUC, and who were photographed sitting on the roof of,with smoke bellowing, on what appeared to be a vandalised / damaged PSNI land rover?

    As regards if Knee are Racist or not, I referred to the case of the drunk Irish labourer who experienced a slight difficulty in getting a landlady to accommodate him in 1950s war-torn England and who complained of anti-Irish racism. If that is Racism, and if Irish people experienced anti Irish Racism in England, then surely a far more serious case of Racism is the the Irishmen in Kneecap, one in dissident style balaclava, calling on people to murder English local and Tory politicians, in England? Be consistent now and stop deflecting.

    You should not be against Racism only when it comes from others towards us. You should condemn a band who is racist enough to call for the murder of innocent politicians in another country it does not like.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You're obviously trolling, Mary/Frozen when it's plain as day I criticised Kneecap. Now stop making **** up and go back to licking loyalist boot (if you actually are Irish Catholic which I highly doubt you are). No evidence that Irish people looking for accommodation in 1950s London were all drunk when doing so, but putting down the Irish is what you bigots do.

    And no, there AREN'T the 12th style bonfires oN bOtH sIdEs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭itsacoolday


    I said there were bonfires on both sides up there. You may only hear about the loyalist ones, but here for example is a massive nationalist one from Derry, complete with Union flags and Israeli flags to be burnt etc

    Now stop diverting about bonfires. I do not lick either boot up there. There are extremists on both sides. I condemn all extremism and condemn both sides for putting each others flags etc on bonfires wherever that happens. I am reliably informed not all bonfires have flags.

    Do you condemn Kneecap for being photographed on top of what appears to be a vandalised / damaged PSNI Land Rover with smoke bellowing? If a loyalist band did that to a car which appeared to be a Garda car, and called for people to murder Irish politicians, what would you have to say then? You would probably still divert to bonfires and make personal attacks.

    I never said Irish people looking for accommodation in 1950s London were all drunk. A lot of my relations have gone to England over many decades to get work. Of course hundreds of thousands of people were not all drunk. I was referring to one specific case of the drunk Irish labourer who experienced a difficulty in getting a landlady to accommodate him in 1950s England and who complained of anti-Irish racism. My point was, if that is Racism, and if Irish people experienced anti Irish Racism in England, then surely a more serious case of Racism is the Irishmen in Kneecap, one in dissident style balaclava, calling on people to murder English local and Tory politicians, in England? Especially as MPs have been murdered in the past, including by some in Balaclavas. Yes or No?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,505 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Fine defence of Kneecap here:

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    What Israel are doing is much worse.

    The UK government trying to censure them is much worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,376 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    The English are not a race but a nation. Kneecap don't attack English or British people, but their institutions. Kneecap clearly ain't a racist band.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,376 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Given that the footage is two years old it's apparent that no such action has taken place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,376 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    The Murder Capital the latest Irish act (after Lankum, Kneecap, etc) to have shows cancelled in Germany. I'm delighted that Irish acts are railing against the perpetrators of genocide. Never Again!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭itsacoolday


    Michelle Gildrenew, Sinn Fein MP is of the opinion the English are a different race to the Irish because in 2021 she wrote "it is deeply concerning and quite frankly infuriating that in 2021, anti-Irish and anti-Traveller racism continues in Britain."

    If there is such a thing as anti Irish racism from the English towards the Irish, as the Sinn Fein MP says there is, then surely Kneecaps anti English Racism is much more serious, as it is calling for the murder of people who they know to be English? They would not call for the murder of Irish MPs like Michelle Gildernew, would they?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,788 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    This seems to be quickly becoming last week's news.

    Next to no mention on the mainstream media, and only a handful of posts now on Boards about it.

    Move along, nothing to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,376 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    A basic study of ethnographics is recommended.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭itsacoolday


    So you would disagree with the Sinn Fein MP Michelle Gildrenew, who is of the opinion the English are a different race to the Irish because in 2021 she wrote "it is deeply concerning and quite frankly infuriating that in 2021, anti-Irish and anti-Traveller racism continues in Britain." That was in relation to some holiday park group in England who operated a list of undesirable guests...it had been using a list of mainly Irish surnames as part of a policy of refusing bookings to travellers.

    Not the only time Sinn Fein has complained of, and I quote, "anti-Irish Racism" in England. Do you think there can never ever be such a thing as anti-English Racism coming from Ireland, because we are all goody goody in Ireland. OR do you think a an Irishman / band calling on their followers to kill MPs in England is ok because at least they did not call on their followers to kill MPs in Ireland?

    Them English MPs, sure they deserve to be intimidated by someone in a balaclava and murdered anyway, unlike our Irish MPs?

    Move along, nothing to see. However all political parties in Britain have called for the prosecution of Kneecap. Not surprising as many are attacked regularly, a week or two does not go by without some being attacked, and some killed every few years. Counter terrorism police are investigating.

    What I cannot understand is, why so some people think it ok to intimidate English politicians / tell their followers in England to kill their local MPs there ( but they would never tell their followers in Ireland to kill MPs or politicians here), but someone who made threats from his bedroom in Rathfarnham against Mary Lou Mcd and Drew Harris got 3.5 years?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭scottser


    It seems the media has achieved its goal; vilify Kneecap on whatever spurious grounds they can find in order to deflect away from Israel's genocide of Palestinians.

    IT'S A FUKN GENOCIDE, PEOPLE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    You really are obsessed with this one Sinn Fein MP and their remarks. Yes majority would disagree with their statement.

    Pro Israel agenda now combined with an anti Sinn Fein one, it's no wonder you hate Kneecap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,376 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Yep, not an issue of race but nationality. Basic stuff.

    In terms of any future prosecution of Kneecap what an enormous platform that'll give them to denounce the genocide of the Israelis and the participation of nations such as the UK in arming the child-murderers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,040 ✭✭✭✭elperello




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