M6 - Galway City Ring Road [planning decision pending]

Can I ask where people have seen it being discussed in terms of unlocking development potential? I thought they were originally saying it definitely wouldn't be used for that

I'm not splitting hairs though: they're proposing a design that they KNOW won't solve any problems, and they're proposing it over and over. I think Galway needs both a bypass and a distributor. It already has what is a "ring road" double-jobbing bypass-distributor mess, it doesn't need a second one! London orbital is in absolutely no way a distributor, it's a bypass starting way outside the city and ending way outside the city. It's used for traffic to get past the city. Absolutely nobody I know gets on the M25 to get from one part of the city to another. In Galway, 95% of people will get on this "ring road" to access another part of the city, according to the numbers. That's similar to N40 and M50 in Ireland, these are bypasses swamped by commuters to the point of "forced or breakdown flow" according to the NTA.

I won't even discuss the idea of the Dublin outer orbital, that's for a different thread, suffice to say there's a good reason that was shot down.

No you're paying your ULEZ and congestion charge anyway so you just accept the cost and go direct. That's what anyone I know with a car or van does anyway.

I wouldn't rather a bypass being swamped by commuters at all: it's not much of a bypass if it's swamped by local commuters. You're not "bypassing" anything. You end up with a big dysfunctional traffic jam mess…like the M25 is at Heathrow and Dartford, where it fails in its function as a bypass...because it's doing two jobs…because it has junctions into busy urban areas.

100% this - if the Council's had a plan in tandem to be launched in parallel to show what ALL the freed up space would be used for back in 2013; GCRR project would be over the line by now.

It is not incomentence though - they just don't want to do it!

Could someone provide a link to the survey being quoted here ad nauseam by the anti development posters as an excuse to block the road.
Firstly, if this survey took place over the Covid years, it should be thrown in the nearest dustbin. It is not accurate and neither are commuter practices during that time.
Secondly, what about current commuters observations. Clearly any time I’ve had to go near the city in the morning, the vast majority of traffic is being held up trying to traverse the city BOTH WAYS, not going into it. In fact if you go into the City Centre in the morning, those roads, while busy, are relatively quieter compared to those roads where people are trying to cross over. Google maps daily information re traffic will show where the hold ups are, it’s clear this ‘survey’ isn’t fit for purpose and not a reflection of what’s happening in front of our eyes via direct links to google traffic and other apps. It’s a direct opposite to my own observations also.
Thirdly, there are already some good public transport links from the likes of Oranmore and Athenry re trains and buses with very big uptake. So people will use the services if it’s there. And still the traffic issues persist despite those on here claiming public transport alone will solve the problems, it won’t. It’s not an either/or solution.

Yeah I struggle to believe this as well. I work in Parkmore. Of the 20 or so people there, over half have to cross the river at some place, going West to where they live. At present some are forced to travel into the city centre to do that via one of the bridges. Literally every journey to get over the river (apart from the Quincentennial bridge) would be classed as going into the city centre… So unless they asked each driver do you live in the city and 5% said they did, then I don't see how that figure adds up.

Right.

Great.

Tell the project team they need to re-do their numbers so, and delay the project by another wedge of time.

Honestly, I don't understand what's so difficulty about reading the project documentation.

For the last few posters who have been saying "those numbers are nonsense", here is the direct link:

https://www.pleanala.ie/en-ie/case/318220

Appendix 6.1 is here

https://www.pleanala.ie/publicaccess/FurtherInformation/318220/Galway%20City%20Ring%20Road%20RFI%20Response%202025/Part%20VI%20Updated%20EIAR/Volume%204%20Appendices/Appendix%20A.6.1%20Traffic%20Modelling%20Report.pdf?r=779042755091

Welcome to how most of the population of Galway feels re the delay constructing not only this road but other roads and developments also. You failed to answer the question so I’ll ask again, what year is the survey referring to?

Edit - I can only find a traffic report on the An Bord Pleanala dating from…Ireland’s biggest economic crash of the 21st Century 2012 and 2013 and prior to it? Is this seriously the data being used to make the case on here re road traffic travel? Honestly?

Perhaps you're not looking at the right document: Appendix A.6.1 of the current submission to ABP. They needed to re-do all the modelling, precisely because of what you've noted: time makes all traffic data invalid.

Yes you're right, maybe they're asking about the 5% figure. I thought they wanted the traffic modelling data showing that the outcome will be worse if they build the current design than if they do nothing.

She made a public statement in support of FIE’s Judicial Review of the original planning. That doesn’t make her a member of FIE, and I could find no evidence that she is.

I agreed with FIE bringing a Judicial Review of this scheme, but I still think they’re hobbity ideologues. Just because two trains are in the same station at the same time, it doesn’t mean they’re both going to the same place.

I took for granted when you took for granted. Thought I heard her on Keith Finnegan talking about winning the last challenge against it

Something else you've taken for granted