Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

That was the actual mantra of the anti vax / anti mitigation cohort during the pandemic.

A fair number of them have now pivoted to self fear mongering about immigrants.

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You've stated that these US companies are unsustainable here given their employment is mixed Irish and overseas. Yet you fail to explain why that's the case. They've had no issues being successful here for decades so what's about to change? You predicted a 'boom' for these companies yet also say they're unsustainable. Which is it?

You also fail to explain how you would legally change the recruitment policy. What tweaks would you make to our employment legislation?

Reasoned debate involves backing up your claims. You've not done so thus far but there's plenty of time to do so.

The problem is the government should not interfere in the recruitment policies of these companies. There is no evidence that our politicians have the ability or knowledge to attempt such a task. When the government interfere in matters they don't fully understand they generally do so in an incompetent manner and make things much worse.

I see your point but I think the government would be better staying out of that. They need to focus on the real problem, more asylum seekers entering the country than we can currently handle.

I think most reasonable people would regard a direct link to an Irish Independent article with the headline "Not enough migrants arriving to keep pay down" as actual evidence. Especially when it names two Central Bank Economists, Stephen Byrne and Tara McIndoe-Calder who talk about the "wage dampening effects of inward migration." One might even think that you don't want to acknowledge that fact, but perhaps you would be a lot happier if people only posted links that you felt supported your assertions. But hey, you do you.

Now as for your accusation of link dumping? One direct link to the article mentioned above is hardly link dumping. Indeed mods on here have asked certain posters to post evidence to back up claims.

I'm not going to get bogged down in this, I have only put this up, so others who may have been mistaken in believing that inward immigration doesn't have a wage dampening effect i.e. lowering pay, may see the evidence and acknowledge that they were mistaken.

You asked for verifiable evidence that migration suppresses wages.

The other poster provided it- first you said you wouldn't read a link dump, next you said you won't comment due to snide comments.

You not commenting certainly has nothing to do with the fact it is presented to you there in black and white, has it?

More backtracking after false claims of not stating stuff which required your post of 8.30am yesterday to be highlighted. Following your inability to justify your claim of the lack of sustainability of these companies and their hiring policies you've now moved it to the state.

Whilst not going through a boom our economic forecast for 2025 is a GDP growth of 4%. Pretty good in comparison to our neighbours I'd say.

What's the net loss to the state of having non-Irish employees of Google paying taxation here?

And how is the Irish state not seeing the gain of the tax intake? A record amount of €28 billion in corporation tax alone in 2024, never mind self-employment, small business, employee and other forms of taxation. Taxation is an area in which you could correctly use the word 'boom' to describe how the state is doing.

The only person making false claims is yourself. I bid you adieu!

Irish will work low paying jobs but it's either on a needs-must basis or because there are other factors that make it worth their while. In general, we have an ever-better educated population of young people whose skillsets are aimed at tech, science, law, finance, medicine etc or a skilled trade — and as an English speaking workforce they have global appeal. Even in my own industry, where you barely would have encountered a soul with a "working class Dublin accent", you are hearing those accents more and more (thankfully) among the interns / trainees. That's a reflection of a country where education opportunities for Irish born youngsters have broadened.

In this context, the "rung" of the job ladder incorporating lower paid or lower skilled labour is being increasingly emptied of Irish-born employees because Irish-born people are simply overqualified to be in that rung and can seek careers that offer better pay and opportunities to travel. Migrants are then the ones who slot into that rung because doing so is worth their while in their eyes.

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Those from the EU or Non EU come here to work . To just focus on those who came here to work is a distortion of the unemployment statictics for the country as a whole .

All fairly anecdotal which I know is frowned upon here but I won't report your post as it's childish and does nothing for conversation.

I'm quite interested in whether true or not as multiple people on the pro immigration/left on this thread are claiming it.

One posters statement yestetday that 'only foreigners work lower paid jobs' would be considered racist if their post history wasn't clearly showing they're left leaning.

I'm far too lazy and not sure if even possible but wonder would Gueze or any other data analysis posters settle the bet and produce actual stats on this?

Neither of those categories are exclusive to construction.

The discussion was originally about employment rates for migrants versus Irish citizens .

Immigration is a good thing when managed properly. Not a good thing when its not. It's really that simple. All issues we see are due to mismanagement. Either intentionally for those who benefit (revenue streams) or incompetence by those in charge. 9 times out of 10, its intentional. FF/GG's razor - "Never attribute to stupidity that which is adequately explained by malice"