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Sinners

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,659 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Perhaps they were all only newly created that day so were uncertain about the rules of being a vampire. The Irish guy shouldn't have been caught out in it though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭El Duda


    Thanks for your kind words. Glad you enjoyed the film too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 95 ✭✭howdydoo83


    Nah something must be going on with these views.

    This is like something written from American Fiction. I thought it was Robert Johnson not Buddy guy. Although he's looking good for close to 90

    Irritated now.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,220 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fysh


    It'd be more interesting if you actually got into what you didn't like about the film or why. Your previous post didn't really give anyone reason to engage with your "awful, 1/5" review - which on a craft level alone is IMO already a bit silly, a film would have to be monumentally worse than this (and beyond simple "I didn't care for it" territory) to deserve that bad a rating.

    But if you really thought it was that bad, make your case. What did it do wrong?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    a podcast i listen to has suggested that it was meant to be MbJ and jonathan majors before all the awful stuff about him came out. seems there isnt a whole pile of evidence to back it up but i wouldnt be surprised either if it were the case



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 554 ✭✭✭Full_Circle_81


    Funny you should mention Robert Johnson there. In my ignorance, I'd never heard of him before last week when he popped up in an episode of Timeless (really average time travel show). Watching Sinners a few days later made me think that Coogler must have used Johnson as inspiration, especially with the "deal with the devil" legend associated with him.

    As far as the film goes, I thought it was fine, but I do find that Coogler films tend to be overrated in the extreme.

    I was quite disappointed with the fight scenes (felt messy, and not intentionally so) and like others have mentioned, I didn't think there was enough of a distinction between the twins (in how they were written or acted).

    The music was a highlight though, as was newcomer Miles Canton. Delroy Lindo and Jack O'Connell are always excellent (and underrated) as well....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭p to the e


    What a ride this was. There whole thing skated so close to absurdity but always kept on the right side of enjoyable. I expected something completely different than what I got and I'm glad for it. The actors trusted the vision of their director and gave him everything. I think if you also trust in it and just allow the director to guide you through his journey then you'll be better for it.

    Hilarious in parts, shockingly violent in others and instantly quotable. I'd even go so far as to call it a musical with some outlandish musical numbers to rival the best of them. What a ride.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,488 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    I do wonder could they do a trilogy nearly of smoke and stack. 1 in ww1 as they mentioned they were in the trenches against Germans and then a 2nd film.of their time in the mob in Chicago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,659 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Unfortunately without the vampire element I dont think it would attract as big an audience. Probably not commercially viable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭El Duda




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,412 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The best way to describe it was that the music and singing was absolutely intoxicating. I love horror but I'm generally not smiling and head bopping during them. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,062 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Hmm.....somewhat disappointed with this one, especially after the generally positive reviews I'd caught on its release.

    Initial trepidation of the trailers, specifically the blues motif etc, gave way a little as the first half of the film progressed. The overall setup was obviously somewhat formulaic and staid, but interesting actors carried it a little with a nice little intro for the villain of the piece giving a taste of what was to come.

    Culminates in the midpoint melange musical number, which is quite a daring setpiece from Coogler which he deserves the plaudits for. But, it ultimately comes across as almost the central focus of the storyboarding for the director from the getgo with an extremely uneven second half to the film following, which is the disappointment.

    Rushed to the extreme, it falls a bit flat. Some decent practical effects aside, it's a bit of a mess thematically and fails to stir the action heartbeats. Not sure what Coogler wanted to add on to the final act come dawn, other than the obvious period animosity which we've seen so many times before, but it's extremely sloppily handed to the point of feeling almost tacked on so its adds very little.

    Continues through to the actual ending through the credits which probably carries on a bit too long once the 'gotcha' is communicated. Dont mind Jordan too much, even if he's too one note - certainly would have helped to have a different actor opposite him as opposed to what himself and Coogler went for, plus the likes of Lindo and the young guitarist prove watchable, but it's all a bit forgettable overall and doesn't leave any lasting feeling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,290 ✭✭✭✭cena


    Last hour was great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭_CreeD_


    I found it disappointing. Probably a 6-7/10 for me, the missus however really only kept watching because I was. The production and performances were great but this felt like 2 movies to me. The primary being a race driven prohibition gangster movie that probably didn't get greenlit, with a competent vampire short film wedged into it to get it made. It's a rare case of the sum being less than the parts for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,869 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    I loved this. In my top 3 of the year so far, alongside Black Bag and Weapons.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,645 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Jesus, three movies that dropped to damp squib endings imo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,024 ✭✭✭Sugarlumps


    Savage film, one of the best horrors in recent time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,287 ✭✭✭artvanderlay


    Tried watching it tonight. Gave up after 50 mins. Nice looking movie and well shot, but it was all style over substance. No character I cared for, and the story dragged on. I know vampires were going to show up for the second half but I couldn't be arsed waiting for that. Michael B Jordan is a very limited actor, and looks too bland for this kind of role. It needed a Jamie Foxx or similar to make it interesting. A record number of nominations for this? Hollywood really is bonkers these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭Appletart Upsetter


    I literally just finished watching this.

    Really enjoyable and the music was great. It's a solid 4/5 for me.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,257 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    Turning off Sinners before the vampires show up is like turning off Jurassic Park before the dinosaurs show up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,287 ✭✭✭artvanderlay


    In fairness, if Spielberg took an hour to show us a dinosaur, I'd have left too! People went to that movie specifically to see dinosaurs done well on the big screen. I've seen vampires before - they've been done to death, so if the director hopes I stick around to see them, he better make the characters and plot engaging in the first half. He didn't.

    In general, I'm not that interested in vampires, especially in a boring movie like this. From Dusk Til Dawn was much more entertaining in its first half, before the vampires show up, and that wasn't exactly a great movie either, but at least it had some characters that I wanted to get out alive. I couldn't give a **** about any of the characters in Sinners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,110 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    I didn't particularly like most of the characters in the first hour, but the majority of the setup in the first hour is really well paid off, which starts even before the vampires show up.

    I think it's fair to say you didn't like the movie after the first 50 minutes and so stopped watching (I've done the same myself with other films numerous times), but it's unfair to judge the whole movie on that basis because the characters haven't had a chance to go through the dilemma which leads to evolution and payoff.

    Also there are some sequences in the second half which are just stunning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,287 ✭✭✭artvanderlay


    Fair enough. I didn't stick around, so can't judge the second half, but I view it as a failure of the writing that I don't care enough for these characters to want to spend more time with them. I thought the cinematography and long tracking shots, especially in the town, were really good, but it was all a bit too glossy for my taste.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 31,257 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    The vampires in Sinners aren’t just classic vampires, even if it does have some effectively and memorably staged horror action. They’re the film’s central metaphor, bringing to the fore the film’s main allegorical and historical concerns which are established in the first half and expanded on from there. That’s why it reads as frankly a bit silly to dismiss the film as ‘style over substance’ when you didn’t even take the time to actually watch it. Even beyond that, several of the films most electrifying and ambitious sequences take place in the second half, including a transitional sequence which IMO ranks among the most audacious any Hollywood film has staged in this young century.

    If you watched the whole thing and still thought it sucked, fair enough - I’d personally disagree as I think it’s excellent, but at least you would have done your basic due diligence and that’s a more straightforward case of ‘tastes may vary’. But you shouldn’t be particularly surprised if we dismiss your commentary on the film based on the fact you didn’t even watch half of it.

    Also, Jurassic Park doesn’t turn into an action film until around an hour in :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,982 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    "I don't know why a film I didn't watch most of won awards"

    The Internet is getting so boring in it's predictability.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,287 ✭✭✭artvanderlay


    Ok. But if I don't want to hang around and watch the second half, then that is a failing of the writing and/or performances and direction. I like story and characters first: I'm not there for a spectacle unless it's specifically that type of film, and, if I am there for that, it had better start fairly quickly. This film didn't seem to know what it was. I think my opinion is valid and the writing for this movie was bland. I honestly think Hollywood doesn't know how to write appealing characters anymore. It's like the basic rules of storytelling have been abandoned.

    BTW I'm pretty sure the first dinosaur showed up fairly early in Jurassic Park. We were there for the dinosaurs!!! :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,287 ✭✭✭artvanderlay


    Well it's certainly very predictable the way people like yourself attack the opinions of people who disagree with them. Just ignore me. It's easier. The thread was dead until I offered an opinion yesterday and now suddenly everybody is riled up. Chill out. It's only a **** movie.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,110 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Funnily enough, I had recently rewatched Sinners and still had the disk in my bluray player, so I checked whereabouts the movie was at 50 minutes when you say you stopped.

    If you'd stayed another 10 minutes, you would have gotten a great scene between Stack and Mary (one of the Michael B Jordans and Hailee Steinfeld) about their relationship which may have helped you care more about those characters, an amazing musical scene which largely showcases the theme of the movie and is one of the most imaginative and inventive setpieces in years, and then the real start of the incoming danger which will form the rest of the movie.

    Honestly, it's really not a failing of the writing and/or performances and direction if you stop watching before those important moments happen, because it would equally be a failing of the writing etc if those moments happen without the proper setup that makes those moments land with the impact they need.

    I'm sure there are plenty of times where I haven't really cared for some characters in the first half of a movie, but it's the events they then go through which forces character development, re-frames how you view the characters, and then you like them by the end. Whereas if you just throw them into the events of the movie too quickly, you may not have given enough time to understand who the character is before the events, to appreciate their struggle with those events, and then see their evolution after the events.

    Obviously, this movie just wasn't for you, and that's fine. But it's not a failing of the movie that you tapped out of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,287 ✭✭✭artvanderlay


    That's your opinion. I disagree: it's my opinion that the writing, characters and actors are not up to scratch here, so it failed in my eyes. If I'm not enjoying something, I'm not going to wait around for it to get better, especially if I'm halfway through. To be honest, I give films 20 minutes these days - that's enough time to introduce us to the world of the film, the main character/s, the inciting incident, and what the movie is going to be like. If I'm not into it, I'm not sticking around. I also walked out of One Battle After Another halfway through for similar reasons - I didn't care about any of the characters and found the direction and performances really poor. That's my opinion. Who am I? Who are you? We just have different views. It's fine. Move on.

    ps I saw the amazing musical scene everybody is raving about. Cringe does not begin to describe how I felt about that scene. And I love the blues and funk/soul/disco music. That scene was like something they'd do at the Grammy's nowadays, to pay tribute to the history of black music. I prefer to listen to the original artists rather than look at a dumbass tribute. Urgh. Not for me. Only my opinion though! Relax. I'm not attacking anyone's opinion. I just have a different outlook on what movies should be.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭raclle


    I'm a "style over substance" guy myself and this movie is avg enough and surprised to see it get so many oscar noms, but just my opinion.



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