Kneecap - New Footage

Is it just an Irish band or globally?

Plenty of Israeli artists are horrifically racist and releasing songs calling for actual genocide and death of civilians and topping he charts in Israel

When I googled Iron Maiden, it says "use of iron maidens is considered to be a myth; 

No evidence of their actual use has never been found.

No evidence of anything has not stopped you. Iron Maidens exist, and their purpose, whether or not they have been used is as a torture device.

If that does not suit you, then joy division.

There is even a band called the killers. Another called massive attack.

Contrast that to Kneecap : many people, including boys, were in living memory tortured and maimed for life by men dressed like the fellow in Kneecap, with balaclavas, in a process known as Kneecapping. How anyone could defend or glorify that is sick.

When others wear balaclavas, like the punk band in Russia, they do not do it waving a tricolour and with the intention of referring to or immitating a paramilitary group. Big difference.

How do you know what anyone was dressed like when they were doing any of what you mentioned?

Balaclavas a.k.a ski masks and other masks are used by many bands, the list is quite big but no matter what band or act are pointed out you will no doubt ignore that kneecap are a tongue in cheek stage act and say 'but but but..' until you can come up with any excuse why their use of it is not the same. Or that they do not count because you have not heard of them.

Why would a russian band wave the tricolour? When did kneecap? How is the tricolour associated with terrorism?

You have still failed to answer any of the questions i have asked you. why is that?

For example

Do you know which ethnic origin they perceive themselves to be?

If anyone is diverting, it is not the person or people that you accuse.

Also, could you link to something that shows kneecap actively calling for people to murder their mp's?

And they have been accused of having Nazi sympathies - especially as they subsequently renamed themselves "New Order". So your example certainly doesn't prove that people choose these names for themselves "innocently" - quite the opposite.

I think most people weren't aware of the meaning of the origin of the term Joy Division, which is why they got away with it. Kneecapping though - the meaning is hard to miss.

Stop diverting. You still have not come up with a band as racist as kneecap.

What about Disturbed? Their lead signer was singing IDF bombs that he knew were going to be used on Palestinian civilians.

Yes because all bombs dropped by the IDF are only killing Hamas members are they?

He's a Zionist scumbag.

So your example certainly doesn't prove that people choose these names for themselves "innocently" - quite the opposite.

Nobody was asked to prove that people chose those names for themselves innocently or otherwise. The question was

Or even one named after a method of torture / maiming

Which was both iron maiden and joy division. There are many more.

Kneecap was already explained. Tongue and cheek as the irish "Ní ceap" is loosely translated as "don't think".

You have not answered one single question that i have asked. Or are you going to avoid that question again too?

That is at least three questions by my count that i have asked you twice and still not received any answer.

Pantera are pretty racist as well.

Phil Anselmo has had to apologise for saying "White Power" on stage before

This lad is not only named after a device of torture and murder he actually wears a miniature model of said device around his neck.

Absolutely disgraceful?

And what sort of scarf is that?

Another very very bold boy?

But at least he has not publically called for the murder of peaceful democratic politicians in another ( not his own) country? Nor has he shouted at a concert between song "UP HAMAS"?

So is not as bad or as bigoted as Kneecap. Most people had hoped the days of republicans from West Belfast looking for the murder of politicians in England was over.

The fellow in your post calling himself Crucifix ….well, never heard of him, its not a great stage name I think, but at least no terrorist organization in Ireland crucified a few thousand people in living memory.

What, like Young Spencer, who supported Kneecap in Belfast?

Correct. No band on the loyalist side would get on stage in front of very large crowds,dress like a dissident or name themselves after something associated with paramilitary torture, and call for the murder of TDs or Irish politicians.

There would rightfully be outrage if there was. Nobody at a paid for concert on the loyalist side gloats over the death of a Irish nationalist politician: yet Kneecap sing about Maggies in a box? And Kneecap say the only good Tory is a dead Tory, and kill your local MP? Imagine if a loyalist went south of the border and said on stage the only good SF politician is a dead one, and kill your local TD?

You've lost any sort of argument with that first sentence. The lovely loyalists. Give us a break.

Time to put the keyboard away there now.

I never said they were noble. Of course you get extremists on both sides up there. I was referring to bands with large amounts of followers. My point was, since edited to reflect what was meant, no band on the loyalist side has yet got on stage in front of very large crowds,dressed like a dissident or named themselves after something associated with paramilitary torture, and called for the murder of TDs or Irish politicians?? If they have, name such a band.

Should bands with thousands of young followers have encouraged people to kill democratic elected politicians in another country, like Kneecap did? They said , in England, the only good Tory was a dead Tory and kill your local MP?

Kneecap have also encouraged dissidents by calling the PSNI the RUC, and appearing in photos sitting on top of what appeared to be vandalised / damaged PSNI land rover etc.

It's because they stood up to Israel.

The poster is a massive supporter of Israel.

I actually condemn wrongdoing and the killing of innocents on all sides. There are 2 sides to the conflict in the middle east.