Kneecap - New Footage

It does not matter if you or kneecap consider english people or tories a different race. The fact is that they are not, so for those reasons they cannot be racist. Only if they show hatred, prejudice discrimination toward an actual other race.

If you mean xenophobic or possibly sectarianists or zealots than that may be more suitable.

They are a pop group, with a controversial stage act or that they are using.

Israel is mutilating, killing and torturing palestinians by the day, with the backing of many governments whom i would argue are far more influential than three lads with a microphone. Why is that not where your outrage lies, other than a small gig concert where an anti-establishment group made a statement?

Israeli zionists are bombing palestine for fun, for gender reveals, killing thousands of innocent people and children who have not even had a chance in life to form any opinion on anything. Israel are killing aid workers and are now planning to seize and takeover gaza completely. How anyone could try justify that is beyond me.

If that is the case then there was never any, nor could there have been any, anti Irish racism in England.

If they could be such a thing as anti-Irish racism, then there can be such a thing as anti-English racism, and the 3 Irish passport holders dressing up as provo terrorists and calling, in England, for local politicians there to be murdered is certainly 100% racist.

They did not call for Irish politicians or TDs to be murdered, oh no.

We know who Kneecap hate, hate enough to want to get murdered. In the past, there may have been "no alternative" according to themselves, but the rest of the world has moved on - except for Kneecap and their language of political hatred and bitterness. Calling for innocent foreigners in a foreign peaceful democratic country to get killed must surely be the ultimate form of racism?

I cant argue with that kind of self righteousness

no, what we need to do is to stop taking sides, and constantly sticking our noses into the affairs of a crowd of hateful murderers (both sides) 1000s a miles away, pretending we give a damn; and get on with looking after our own country and its affairs.

That probably sounded great in your head but perhaps it's time to educate yourself on the definition of racism.

Those three Irishmen, dressed as they were and calling themselves after a torture technique often used by other Republican men in Balaclavas to maim and intimidate boys, demonstrate more than Xenophobia, which is just an attitude of dislike and hatred directed toward another person who is thought to differ from the individual in social or ethnic terms. In the past, some Irish people have accused some English people of anti-English racism : but Kneecap calling to a crowd for the murder in England of their Tory politicians brings racism to a more sinister level, esp. as some MPs there are murdered almost every decade, the last only 2 years ago.

the 3 Irish passport holders dressing up as provo terrorists

Only one of them wears a balaclava. None of them to my knowledge have ever worn any 'provo terrorist' uniform.

You still need to look up the word racist or racism. You also avoided responding to my comment about palestine.

It is also used in humour. As it is also used as double meaning in a joke.

"Ní ceap" is loosely translated as "don't think".

Bhì beirt fear in san IRA ag súil síos an mbóthar nuair a chonaic siad fear ag suí ar an mballa.

'An cheapainn tù go bhfuil an fear sin san UVF' arsa Martin.
'Ní Cheapaim' arsa Gerry.

As for the 'maggie in a box' song. You have little to be offended about if that gets you.

There are plenty of football fans who sing variations of that song in the uk for various reasons. Maggies' in the mud is probably the most well known.

Correct. I too had looked up definition of racism, and it indeed confirmed that people of one nationality calling for the murder of those of another nationality in a different country is indeed racism.

Can anyone name a band in the world as racist as Kneecap? What other band has ever called for the murder of innocent, democratic, elected politicians in a country we are not at war with? No joking matter as Kneecaps gives its political opinions with venom, and does not joke on-stage. Also, the only other known people with tricolours and balaclava did actually kill people like MPs, so very sinister.

Yes. But that is not it. That is from oxfordreference.com

This is from the OED (Oxford English Dictionary)

Neither the english nor their politicians are a race or ethnic group.

If you are looking for something closer to racism, have a look at what is happening in israel right now, where thousands of children are suffering from malnutrition and as if it needs to be said, have no allegiance to hamas.

So much for their being no Hamas supporters on boards eh?

The three Irish passport holders in Kneecap perceive themselves to be a different ethnic origin

Wow. I am very interested to find out how you know this. Do you know which ethnic origin they perceive themselves to be?

Name any other band in the world as Racist as Kneecap?

All of the other bands that signed the open letter? Most other bands in fact, as it has been already mentioned - they are not racist.

Or even one named after a method of torture / maiming

Iron Maiden

and where one band member wears a balaclava associated with terrorism?

Pussy riot. In fact all three members wear them, But i must ask, how is the tricolour associated with terrorism?

I suppose it depends on where you grew up. It seems that they are not the only people from the north that use the balaclava as a costume for fun and laughs.

Which one looks more like a terrorist? I would argue that the child with the gun on a school playground does.

I will ask again, seeing as you seem to have missed it the last time, and my reference to it in another post.

"Israel is mutilating, killing and torturing palestinians by the day, with the backing of many governments whom i would argue are far more influential than three lads with a microphone. Why is that not where your outrage lies?"

I am Irish, born and bred in Ireland, and living in Ireland with an Irish passport. I certainly do not approve of others calling for the murder of politicians in England.

Kneecap are Irish. Tory MPs are nearly all English, especially in England where Kneecap called for them to be murdered. None of the bands that signed any letter actually called for the murder of politicians in England either, or shouted "UP HAMAS" in between songs at a concert. Monrush is not a band afaik : that picture of a child was taken in front of a flag: no idea why, by whom, when etc. You are hard up if you are deflecting to that.

Pussy Riot is a Russian punk rock band : they are not named after a form of torture / maiming used by terrorists in living memory, they do not support Hamas and unlike Kneecap, have not called for the murder of innocent democratic politicians in a neighbouring country? Not sure why you mention them?

Stop deflecting to Russia unless you can come up with a band named after a paramilitary torture or a band who has called for the murder of foreign MPs. Pussy Riot is or did neither. And they are not in a gulag either.

I asked for other bands that have called for the murder of innocent democratic politicians in a neighbouring country?  Apart from Kneecap, Nobody can come up with one, never mind five.

Kneecap are haram