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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,574 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Is he the best 12 in the world? He certainly didn't look it on Saturday. Again, the point is whatever malaise affected Henshaw and everyone else also seemed to impact Barrett, so picking him to start might have made a difference, it might not.

    I think it's incredibly unlikely that Cullen picked Henshaw to give him a shot at the Lions.



  • Administrators Posts: 55,084 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    This feels like trying to rewrite reality to avoid criticising over this pick.

    Is he the best in the world? Probably, but that's subjective.

    Is he a significantly better player than 2025 Robbie Henshaw? Unquestionably. Has he been significantly better for Leisnter than Henshaw since he has been there? Unquestionably.

    Did he offer more in his 30 minutes than Henshaw did in his 50? Yes.

    You are literally the only person I have seen trying to suggest this pick wasn't a problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,673 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


     so picking him to start might have made a difference, it might not.

    This is open to debate, but why even leave it open to debate when starting Barrett was clearly the right call?

    (I will add, it's possible there are IRFU stipulations here on Barrett's minutes, and if there are, that is unfair on Cullen. He could be copping a lot of the flak for something that is out of his hands; I don't see what that needs to be "top secret").



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭CalmaftertheGav


    6 months ago both had no starts at test level.


    We’ve more than enough evidence on Ford to show that he isn’t Lions quality. Looking great in a mid table premiership clash doesn’t change that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭Vinnie222


    Leo himself came out and said there were no restrictions on starting Barrett, so this whole "IRFU stipulations" excuse doesn’t really hold water. If there were any limits, Cullen would have been the first to mention it. At the end of the day, it's his decisions on the field and his inability to get the team firing when it counts.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,673 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    But was it the case that he could have picked Barrett for this game but then would have to restrict his minutes later in the season? I'm trying to be fair to Cullen as I don't think it's completely clear cut from his comments, which seemed to just focus on this game?

    If there were no restrictions at all, and he still favoured Henshaw, then I 100% agree with what you're saying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭CalmaftertheGav


    Because I’m getting sick and tired of the media spewing such utter nonsense just for clicks, this is why the average fans knowledge rugby is at an all time low…


    BOD does a good job making himself look like a dose on TV without needing me to call him out on it, but I take the time to do so anyway in case you missed it!

    Fin Smith is never starting the first test btw! It’s going to be between Prendergast and Finn Russell most likely.


    Its absolutely correct, Crowley has played better than both Owen Farrell, Marcus Smith & George Ford this season, how he’s not even considered part of this discussion is borderline insulting at this stage.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,671 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    If Cullen had to choose between starting Barrett at the weekend or for the final be absolutely made the right choice. But its a stupid policy if true. We'll never know though, he won't even confirm the incredibly well reported Snyman clause.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,574 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    This feels like trying to rewrite reality to avoid criticising over this pick.

    Feel free not to engage but if you do, can you leave this sort of thing out? It's deeply unhelpful and completely unnecessary.

    Henshaw has been playing well this season. The idea that he was a charity pick to give him a jaunt to Australia doesn't hold up at all. We had been rotating the centres like clockwork in the previous knockouts, it was pre-ordained that Barrett would come on at 50 minutes and there was loads and loads of time for him to impact the game, but he didn't.

    If I said that "carrying hard" was a good return from the best 12 in the world at a time when we needed something extra to lift us out of a funk, I'd be rightly laughed at.

    You are literally the only person I have seen trying to suggest this pick wasn't a problem.

    Again, I don't think this is necessary and I would prefer if you left it out. Picking Henshaw might have been a mistake, but I don't reallly see any evidence that it was tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,673 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Straight question; would you have started Barrett?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,727 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    In an attempt to get away from this black hole of negativity, we have two games of the regular season coming up before a two week gap until the URC knockouts begin. I hope we pick strong sides for the Zebre and Glasgow games.

    We need to rebuild momentum going into the playoffs, but also get our players back into a regular rhythm of week to week matches. Do that and we've a great chance of winning the tournament. The way the matches fall for this means we have a potential 5 fixtures all of which are at home.

    The fixture against Glasgow is also important psychologically. There's a good chance we'll play them again in the knockouts. We hammered them a month ago. Beat them again by a decent scoreline and they're the ones feeling the pressure to perform against us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭PMC83


    The Leinster players needs to be sharp and on it for sure. Every other team will be thinking they can have a proper go at us now and with good reason. We've been poor in the URC knock outs over the last few seasons but with the CC gone now at least the URC can have 100% of our attention. You would feel that if something not delivered we could well see a change in some coaching staff.

    It is what it is but being back in the RDS for a few games would do the fans and players a world of good. Smaller stadium, easier to sell out, better atmosphere and so on. Aviva has not been a happy place of recent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 540 ✭✭✭Madeoface


    It's being redeveloped. Donnybrook or the Aviva....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭PMC83


    Yep, I know. Just saying if available it would be nice. I think Zebre will be a hard pull for fans next week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,727 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Rob Russell and Liam Turner both confirmed to be leaving Leinster at the end of the season as well.

    They were fringe players so makes sense for them to look elsewhere, but we're thinning out a bit at wing and centre. We'll be hoping a few more academy players develop quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,425 ✭✭✭almostover


    Selection is justifiably criticised.

    Porter not started. One of the best props in the modern game. Instead went with Cian Healy who was past his sell by date after RWC 2023.

    Conan not started. A test Lion with 51 Irish caps. And who was one of Ireland's better 6N performers. Deegan was in form but we found out why he hasn't made it to the top level.

    Barrett not started. One of the top players in the world at the moment who was seen as a massive coup this season. Spent 60 mins warming the pine while a totally out of form Henshaw was again nullified.

    Start your best team, get an early lead and the crowd behind you and allow the finishers see it out. Tried to do it in reverse and it backfired. Same as the URC semi in 2023. Cullen is learning nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,425 ✭✭✭almostover


    They're may also be a case for Ross Byrne to start ahead of Prendergast too. It's cup rugby and Predergast is talented but his ability in the contact is nowhere near where it needs to be at the business end of the season. Byrne isn't an outstanding defender but he is functional. Again, sentiment and player development need to go out the window in a must win crunch game. Easy to say in hindsight but perhaps Byrne would have been a better choice at 10 also for the first 60 mins.

    Hope Byrne does well across the Irish Sea, a good guy and an honest pro.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,727 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Prendergast has performed far better than Byrne this season. There should be no consideration given to starting Ross in bugger games. Whatever about Prendergast's issues completing tackles, he actually was far down the list of problems from last weekends game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,060 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I'm not just going off of the match on Saturday. I find Ringtone to be a very frustrating player. He's very skilled and intelligent, but he's also always been poor as a distributor imo. He looks to take the ball on himself, rather than put the guy outside him free. His vision in that regards is poor, think back to the overlap he blew in the final Vs Saracens.

    We have some serious talent coming through. I'd like to see them backed. Honestly, if Henshaw's contract was up this year, I wouldn't give him a new one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,020 ✭✭✭Vinnie222


    Prendergast was absolutely a big problem, no point pretending otherwise. His missed tackles and defensive positioning really hurt Leinster. He might offer something going forward, but in a knockout game, you can’t afford passengers without the ball. Byrne might not set the world alight, but at least he brings stability and should’ve been on a lot earlier. Leaving him that late made no sense given how things were unfolding.



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  • Administrators Posts: 55,084 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I do think there is an over-focus on Prendergast and he wasn't the reason Leinster lost but I wouldn't say he's far down the list of problems. He's not at the very top of list of issues but he's certainly up there.

    His defence is genuinely awful, there really isn't any way to sugar coat it any more. He made defensive errors or missed tackles in 4 out of their 5 tries I believe. I was listening to Horgan and the lads on Second Captains yesterday and I think they have it right, I think he really does not like contact and so his tackle attempts are somewhat half-arsed, like he's always trying to mind himself.

    The one he missed on Augustus for the try right before half time just sums up his ability to defend, he made a wishy-washy attempt to tackle him and was like water breaking off rocks as a result.

    You've seen my posts on here defending him during the 6N, but this is a major issue for Leinster (and for himself) if he doesn't fix it. Good teams will ruthlessly exploit him.

    People mention his age and his experience. Yea, from the perspective of how he runs the game his age and relative lack of experience must be taken into account. Maybe his age also accounts for mistakes when he is positioning himself on the field in defence.

    However, his age has absolutely nothing to do with how bad a tackler he is. Even when he's in a position to tackle he's not doing it well enough. It's like saying a player is young so it's ok they can't catch the ball. This is a rugby basic.

    I dunno how you fix it. Maybe the best thing for him is a summer spent with Leinster focusing on contact, though I guess it's unlikely he wont tour with Ireland. We already know the rest of his game is more than good enough if he could just fix this (fairly major) issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,060 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    You'd have to ask how he has gotten this far with such a mindset.



  • Administrators Posts: 55,084 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Well I imagine it's because he's so good at all other parts of the game and because these defensive limitations are likely made a lot more obvious in senior rugby compared to the underage stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    He absolutely has to work on his tackling over the next while. It's such a weakness, and he's going to be targeted by all teams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    Most young outhalfs struggle physically in their 1st year at the senior level. Sam is no different except he was probably picked for international rugby too soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,061 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    While I'm not disagreeing with anything here, if you flick back to this threat on Friday, I don't think anyone was complaining about Deegan's inclusion or Conan's impact from the bench.

    I remember there being a lot of excitement for Deegan and feeling it was well deserved reward for his form.

    Healy/Porter and Henshaw/Barrett were debated



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,671 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Ross Byrne was incredibly poor against the Scarlets. I doubt even a seconds thought went into the idea of him starting and nor should it have.

    I don't think it works, or is particularly fair on him, to have SP covering the backfield. He doesn't have the pace to cover breaks from back there (note, I am not saying he is slow, but he is not a speedster). I think closing the angle and taking people down from full back is actually tricky enough and he is not good at it - and has fairly limited experience at it also. His fielding is surprisingly good and obviously they get good use from his kicking from back there, but he's not exactly who you want chasing his own kicks either. His defence is not great in the line, but he's much more able to just soak tackle and slow people down and let the others finish the job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,411 ✭✭✭ironingbored




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,060 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    He didn't even make the turn over. He goes off his feet and impedes jpg. The 5 reaches into the ruck and pulls the ball out. There's 3 penalties alone in that sequence.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,928 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    And I think there's a slight panic about having no clear and obvious successor to Sexton so any player of serious and clear promise is seized upon.



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