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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭conquestscarer


    Feels like almost every year we lose to a team who makes a specific game plan for us. Northampton, La Rochelle, and the Bulls.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,215 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Barrett was significantly better than Henshaw when he came on. Barrett was one of the very few Leinster players carrying hard and making yards in contact. Not massive yards, but an improvement.

    Henshaw was an empty shirt for his time on the field. He offered nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Leinster confirm that Rory McGuire, Aitzol King and Ben Brownlee are leaving at the end of the season.

    Not sure where they're off to, but I know Brownlee was training down south earlier this season and that McGuire has been linked with Ulster.

    But surprised by King's departure. He has looked handy every time I've seen him. Been more impressed by him than Andrew Osborne anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    You could add Saracens at scrum-time too.

    I wonder is part of it a case that teams know Leinster are going to be there at the pointy end of the season so have more time to analyse and prepare a game plan to counter-act them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 332 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    Yeah I think Brownlee will be going to Munster



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,712 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Well yeah, that's pretty much what I saw too.

    I would have been hoping for more than "carrying hard" considering how angry people were about his exclusion. A guy of his ability coming on fresh into a game that was still very much there to be won, it wasn't a great contribution and he didn't stand out tbh. I don't think starting him would have made any difference, the problems were bigger than Henshaw.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,215 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I think people are angry because Barrett is the best 12 in the world and Leinster selected a guy who has been in relatively indifferent form for about a year over him. Henshaw was an amazing player but he is not an amazing player any more and he had no business starting ahead of Barrett in a game as big as this.

    This is literally the type of game that Leinster signed Barrett for. Why pay all that money and leave him on the bench? It's crazy.

    I think Barrett on from the start would have made a very significant difference. Aside from his good carrying, he came on and I think made 2 choke tackles that led to turnovers?

    The influence of having someone as good as him on the field cannot be understated IMO.

    The only conclusion I can reach is that Cullen thought this game was going to be a lot easier than it was and he was trying to give Henshaw an opportunity ahead of the Lions selection. Because there is absolutely no tactical justification for this pick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Yes, there were bigger problems, but it still doesn't change the fact that an additional 50 minutes of Barrett could've been the difference in what was a razor thin game.

    Simon Hick on Second Captains made the point that there isn't another pro coach in the world who makes that selection call.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,712 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Is he the best 12 in the world? He certainly didn't look it on Saturday. Again, the point is whatever malaise affected Henshaw and everyone else also seemed to impact Barrett, so picking him to start might have made a difference, it might not.

    I think it's incredibly unlikely that Cullen picked Henshaw to give him a shot at the Lions.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,215 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    This feels like trying to rewrite reality to avoid criticising over this pick.

    Is he the best in the world? Probably, but that's subjective.

    Is he a significantly better player than 2025 Robbie Henshaw? Unquestionably. Has he been significantly better for Leisnter than Henshaw since he has been there? Unquestionably.

    Did he offer more in his 30 minutes than Henshaw did in his 50? Yes.

    You are literally the only person I have seen trying to suggest this pick wasn't a problem.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


     so picking him to start might have made a difference, it might not.

    This is open to debate, but why even leave it open to debate when starting Barrett was clearly the right call?

    (I will add, it's possible there are IRFU stipulations here on Barrett's minutes, and if there are, that is unfair on Cullen. He could be copping a lot of the flak for something that is out of his hands; I don't see what that needs to be "top secret").



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭CalmaftertheGav


    6 months ago both had no starts at test level.


    We’ve more than enough evidence on Ford to show that he isn’t Lions quality. Looking great in a mid table premiership clash doesn’t change that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭Vinnie222


    Leo himself came out and said there were no restrictions on starting Barrett, so this whole "IRFU stipulations" excuse doesn’t really hold water. If there were any limits, Cullen would have been the first to mention it. At the end of the day, it's his decisions on the field and his inability to get the team firing when it counts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    But was it the case that he could have picked Barrett for this game but then would have to restrict his minutes later in the season? I'm trying to be fair to Cullen as I don't think it's completely clear cut from his comments, which seemed to just focus on this game?

    If there were no restrictions at all, and he still favoured Henshaw, then I 100% agree with what you're saying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭CalmaftertheGav


    Because I’m getting sick and tired of the media spewing such utter nonsense just for clicks, this is why the average fans knowledge rugby is at an all time low…


    BOD does a good job making himself look like a dose on TV without needing me to call him out on it, but I take the time to do so anyway in case you missed it!

    Fin Smith is never starting the first test btw! It’s going to be between Prendergast and Finn Russell most likely.


    Its absolutely correct, Crowley has played better than both Owen Farrell, Marcus Smith & George Ford this season, how he’s not even considered part of this discussion is borderline insulting at this stage.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    If Cullen had to choose between starting Barrett at the weekend or for the final be absolutely made the right choice. But its a stupid policy if true. We'll never know though, he won't even confirm the incredibly well reported Snyman clause.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,712 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    This feels like trying to rewrite reality to avoid criticising over this pick.

    Feel free not to engage but if you do, can you leave this sort of thing out? It's deeply unhelpful and completely unnecessary.

    Henshaw has been playing well this season. The idea that he was a charity pick to give him a jaunt to Australia doesn't hold up at all. We had been rotating the centres like clockwork in the previous knockouts, it was pre-ordained that Barrett would come on at 50 minutes and there was loads and loads of time for him to impact the game, but he didn't.

    If I said that "carrying hard" was a good return from the best 12 in the world at a time when we needed something extra to lift us out of a funk, I'd be rightly laughed at.

    You are literally the only person I have seen trying to suggest this pick wasn't a problem.

    Again, I don't think this is necessary and I would prefer if you left it out. Picking Henshaw might have been a mistake, but I don't reallly see any evidence that it was tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,759 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Straight question; would you have started Barrett?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    In an attempt to get away from this black hole of negativity, we have two games of the regular season coming up before a two week gap until the URC knockouts begin. I hope we pick strong sides for the Zebre and Glasgow games.

    We need to rebuild momentum going into the playoffs, but also get our players back into a regular rhythm of week to week matches. Do that and we've a great chance of winning the tournament. The way the matches fall for this means we have a potential 5 fixtures all of which are at home.

    The fixture against Glasgow is also important psychologically. There's a good chance we'll play them again in the knockouts. We hammered them a month ago. Beat them again by a decent scoreline and they're the ones feeling the pressure to perform against us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭PMC83


    The Leinster players needs to be sharp and on it for sure. Every other team will be thinking they can have a proper go at us now and with good reason. We've been poor in the URC knock outs over the last few seasons but with the CC gone now at least the URC can have 100% of our attention. You would feel that if something not delivered we could well see a change in some coaching staff.

    It is what it is but being back in the RDS for a few games would do the fans and players a world of good. Smaller stadium, easier to sell out, better atmosphere and so on. Aviva has not been a happy place of recent.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Madeoface


    It's being redeveloped. Donnybrook or the Aviva....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭PMC83


    Yep, I know. Just saying if available it would be nice. I think Zebre will be a hard pull for fans next week



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Rob Russell and Liam Turner both confirmed to be leaving Leinster at the end of the season as well.

    They were fringe players so makes sense for them to look elsewhere, but we're thinning out a bit at wing and centre. We'll be hoping a few more academy players develop quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭almostover


    Selection is justifiably criticised.

    Porter not started. One of the best props in the modern game. Instead went with Cian Healy who was past his sell by date after RWC 2023.

    Conan not started. A test Lion with 51 Irish caps. And who was one of Ireland's better 6N performers. Deegan was in form but we found out why he hasn't made it to the top level.

    Barrett not started. One of the top players in the world at the moment who was seen as a massive coup this season. Spent 60 mins warming the pine while a totally out of form Henshaw was again nullified.

    Start your best team, get an early lead and the crowd behind you and allow the finishers see it out. Tried to do it in reverse and it backfired. Same as the URC semi in 2023. Cullen is learning nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭almostover


    They're may also be a case for Ross Byrne to start ahead of Prendergast too. It's cup rugby and Predergast is talented but his ability in the contact is nowhere near where it needs to be at the business end of the season. Byrne isn't an outstanding defender but he is functional. Again, sentiment and player development need to go out the window in a must win crunch game. Easy to say in hindsight but perhaps Byrne would have been a better choice at 10 also for the first 60 mins.

    Hope Byrne does well across the Irish Sea, a good guy and an honest pro.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Prendergast has performed far better than Byrne this season. There should be no consideration given to starting Ross in bugger games. Whatever about Prendergast's issues completing tackles, he actually was far down the list of problems from last weekends game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I'm not just going off of the match on Saturday. I find Ringtone to be a very frustrating player. He's very skilled and intelligent, but he's also always been poor as a distributor imo. He looks to take the ball on himself, rather than put the guy outside him free. His vision in that regards is poor, think back to the overlap he blew in the final Vs Saracens.

    We have some serious talent coming through. I'd like to see them backed. Honestly, if Henshaw's contract was up this year, I wouldn't give him a new one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭Vinnie222


    Prendergast was absolutely a big problem, no point pretending otherwise. His missed tackles and defensive positioning really hurt Leinster. He might offer something going forward, but in a knockout game, you can’t afford passengers without the ball. Byrne might not set the world alight, but at least he brings stability and should’ve been on a lot earlier. Leaving him that late made no sense given how things were unfolding.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,215 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I do think there is an over-focus on Prendergast and he wasn't the reason Leinster lost but I wouldn't say he's far down the list of problems. He's not at the very top of list of issues but he's certainly up there.

    His defence is genuinely awful, there really isn't any way to sugar coat it any more. He made defensive errors or missed tackles in 4 out of their 5 tries I believe. I was listening to Horgan and the lads on Second Captains yesterday and I think they have it right, I think he really does not like contact and so his tackle attempts are somewhat half-arsed, like he's always trying to mind himself.

    The one he missed on Augustus for the try right before half time just sums up his ability to defend, he made a wishy-washy attempt to tackle him and was like water breaking off rocks as a result.

    You've seen my posts on here defending him during the 6N, but this is a major issue for Leinster (and for himself) if he doesn't fix it. Good teams will ruthlessly exploit him.

    People mention his age and his experience. Yea, from the perspective of how he runs the game his age and relative lack of experience must be taken into account. Maybe his age also accounts for mistakes when he is positioning himself on the field in defence.

    However, his age has absolutely nothing to do with how bad a tackler he is. Even when he's in a position to tackle he's not doing it well enough. It's like saying a player is young so it's ok they can't catch the ball. This is a rugby basic.

    I dunno how you fix it. Maybe the best thing for him is a summer spent with Leinster focusing on contact, though I guess it's unlikely he wont tour with Ireland. We already know the rest of his game is more than good enough if he could just fix this (fairly major) issue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    You'd have to ask how he has gotten this far with such a mindset.



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