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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 644 ✭✭✭mullinr2


    https://www.msn.com/en-ie/travel/news/the-migrant-hotel-that-has-turned-a-quiet-country-idyll-upside-down/ar-AA1EdHPY?ocid=socialshare&pc=LCTS&cvid=7498735adc454fe2863c76882899ad43&ei=34

    More benefits of immigration? This is what is happening to small towns and villages all over the UK and Ireland. It is just not fair.

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,379 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,379 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    In terms of refugees it's Ukraine predominantly. This should be clear from even the briefest of research.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,294 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Can anyone imagine this headline from Rte even 6 months ago? Not a snowballs chance. Fair play to everyone who attended the march in Dublin a couple of weeks ago the genie is out of the bottle now. There will be some numbers at them going forward

    Rte n the Irish examiner, times etc desperately trying to jump ship- not a hope of getting off the hook folks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,083 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Don't think of them as immigrant ghettos, think of them as vibrant cultural hubs.

    So many benefits as well, more takeaway shops, a limitless pool of deliveroo drivers, playing music and taking calls on loudspeaker on public transport. You're also missing the biggest benefit of all. The financial alchemy that they will be paying for all our pensions despite in the vast majority of cases of paying zero or negligible amounts of tax 😁

    Mod Edit: Warned for trolling

    Post edited by Necro on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭_Quilombero_


    Love how RTE subtly tries to defend the government "chartered flights only used as a last resort because they're so expensive" .

    No mention of the cost of keeping asylum seekers here for decades in State funded accommodation with food, laundry services, security, transport. etc etc.

    100k to deport 40 scammers. It's a bargain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,511 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,939 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Avoiding ghettoisation however is often not a function of avoiding migrant tribalism but also one of avoiding native tribalism and nimbyism. The migrants who tend to become the focus for most criticism are usually poorer migrants who don't blend in as easily — and being poorer they end up living in working class urban areas. What comes then is the narrative of migrants competing with working class people for jobs and resources, which only further drives division and ghettoisation. Indeed, it can sometimes feel that those who rail most ardently against ghettoisation often think little of how they actually drive it themselves.

    Of course, this also applies to the wealthy areas, where many migrants haven't a hope in hell of being able to afford anyway but social programs to help spread the migrant community across the island will also invariably fall foul of nimbyism by people who have the money and the influence to explore every legal avenue to frustrate developments they don't want.

    You talk of promoting Irish nationalism and I'd tend to agree with that in principle. But many here choose to simply dismiss the hard questions of how you extend that to migrants — which seems to me an almost petulant refusal to accept the reality, whether they like it or not, that a certain level of multiculturalism in a developed economy in a globalised world is inevitable. Most simply prefer to whinge about integration into a shared common Irishness, but do absolutely nothing to promote it. Instead, the blame is pinned on the migrants themselves, or the so-called incompatibility of their cultures as if they can all be neatly compartmentalised into a set culture and mindset purely by virtue of where they come from.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,294 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Just over a year ago- Helen mcentee, widely tipped as future fine Gael leader, at the helm of justice. Saying in the article she doesn't want to be deporting people. Roderick o Gorman alongside her in a ministerial role n getting billions extra doled out to his dept.

    A golden age for the refugee industry, seems like a lifetime ago now for it nowadays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,511 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,294 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Rte are questioning why so few asylum seekers are being deported in the article I linked.

    Can you point out in the article you linked where they are questioning why so few are being deported.

    Thanks in advance boggles



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,511 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The one from last year is questioning.

    The one you citied is an explainer.

    You are more than welcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,294 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Can you point out in the article you linked where Rte are questioning why so few are being deported.

    If you say it's there it'll be easy to copy n paste it , I can't find it anywhere in that link



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,511 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Did you not read the headline.

    Just admit you were wrong I have no interest in semantics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,294 ✭✭✭enricoh


    I did read the headline, it says fewer than 100 were deported , further down the article, Helen mcentee says- "This is not where we want to be in terms of physically removing people" Rte forgot to question her why not I guess!

    All has changed utterly in a year, hasn't it boggles?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,511 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    "This is not where we want to be in terms of physically removing people" Rte forgot to question her why not I guess!

    Because it is very expensive and very labour expensive.

    Even Trump and his ghouls are offering money to people to self deport.

    The US government is offering migrants who are in the country illegally a sum worth $1,000 (£751) and paid travel if they decide to leave the US.

    "Self-deportation is the best, safest and most cost-effective way to leave the United States to avoid arrest," Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said in Monday's announcement.

    But But But Helen McEntee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,294 ✭✭✭enricoh


    What 100k is very expensive to deport 30 people , are you serious?

    Bargain of the year, charter another 100, what would these 30 cost on average a year- multiples of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Murphy and Coppinger refusing to answer questions from Gript regarding deportations reminded me of Trump refusing to answer questions from those he regards as fake news.

    Journalists slam PBP for refusing Gript question - YouTube

    Fair play to those reporters who backed up Gript, pity they didn't just ask the same question Gript asked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    America is deporting as many as they can get their hands on, self deporting is just an additional option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,997 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,997 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Let's see the headline on the above news outlet ..."Government wastes 3.3k per deportee when these people could self deport and save the tax payer "!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Take it you don't agree with deportations then?. So if their applications fail just let them stay?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭Patrick2010




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,997 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    You are wrong .

    Read my post just below that .

    Whatever about Denmark and other European countries let's not go follow Trump down his little garden path .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,997 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    My point was to the poster who was saying 100k was worth it . That I could see the headlines if that was to continue at that price .

    But some do self deport and those that don't should be deported I agree .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,701 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Up on 500 people gathered for the public meeting to discuss the recent level of unease that's been felt in the town.

    One local woman has expressed her deep concern about what she says is the 'decline' of Carrickmacross.

    The Carrick native like many spoke out at a public meeting that was organised by local TD Matt Carthy.

    Up on 500 people gathered for the public meeting to discuss the recent level of unease that's been felt in the town. The meeting discussed concerns surrounding safety and migration in the town. The well attended public forum addressed several key issues, Fears for the future of the town and the younger generations coming along were highlighted.

    My heart goes out to the people of Carrickmacross, rural Ireland knows all to well this blight is causing our towns and villages.

    The good thing is it feels things are starting to change, we've seen it with the recent protests, we've seen it with more and more TDs standing up to this shambles.

    When an elderly woman cannot walk down the streets of her own town without fearing for her safety, there's something very very wrong.

    It all comes back to this government, the damage they have done, the towns/villages they have destroyed, the communities they have destroyed, It's hard to ever seeing it going back to where we were



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭Adhamh


    I think the issue here is that we don't really have the conceptual vocabulary to explain what we're feeling and observing.

    Apparently the crime rate in Carrickmacross has been going down over the last year or two- but it's not really about the crime, it's about the huge and ineffable feeling of 'dislocation'.

    Yes, we can (or at least should) all agree that immigration is causing huge infrastructural challanges (schools, healthcare, housing) but the volume of immigration is now so high that infrastructural issues have been leapfrogged by more difficult existential questions.

    Here's a map, made from the Census returns, which shows the percentage of people in each Small Area of Carrickmacross who identify as White Irish:

    In the town as a whole it comes out to abut 63%. Given that this data was collected in 2021, it's hardly a stretch of the imagination to assume that this has dropped below 60%, and could be as low as 55%. Will Irish people be a minority in Carrickmacross by 2030? If not by 2030, then by 2035? 2040?

    The self-preservation of the Irish people is not racism. We can have sympathy for those coming from oversees without having acceptance. It makes no sense to talk of Lenapia, because it's now known as New York. We have no moral obligation to go the way of the Native American.

    It's not about crime; it's no longer merely about infrastructure. It's about an unnamable anxiety over dislocation, a future for Ireland which increasingly doesn't even seem to involve us ordinary Irish people.

    This of course won't bother some people, but there's no virtue in us pretending likewise. Every society has always cared about the First Person Plural, it's been so obvious that it didn't need stating.

    But now it does need stating, and we're only just starting to give names to the nameless



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭0ph0rce0


    Cracker that. In her head I bet she thought she was great there for a minute.

    Fair play to the other journalists.

    Made her look a fool.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭Gussie Scrotch


    I see Germany are taking action…….

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/germany-reject-undocumented-migrants-border-bild-reports-2025-05-07/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,409 ✭✭✭emo72


    Probably not used to a reaction like that. Paul Murphy then asking a MSM journalist "do you have a question for me?" And the response was no, if your not willing to answer their questions, you'll answer none then. The 2 of them scurrying off the plinth in shock. Good enough for the pair of them.



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