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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,204 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    I was thinking the same. One of the water carriers should have been ready with the tee and as soon as Leinster got that penalty in the 76th minute, Leo should have told him to run it on. The players have been conditioned to go for tries and it usually pays off but in this situation going for goal was the right option. And that's on Leo and JN.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,862 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    The worst part of that few phases of play was how Leinster got sent backwards in the maul. They got manhandled back 5 meters.


    pollock went for the ball, didn’t get it, it could as easily have been a peno against McCarthy as he didn’t release, pollock went to ground away from the ball, needed to roll away, but the saints lock had got there in the meantime.

    I don’t see much wrong with it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 330 ✭✭conquestscarer


    The guy is an Adamson level referee, I've no idea how he's near the pro game never mind big games. Every single **** scrum was reset Atleast once.

    I've had better refs at Junior rugby, who understand the game more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,593 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Well the most important thing is not overthinking. The decision you'd make in any tight game during the season is the decision you make in that situation.

    You've prepated to play that way so you do the same thing. L

    So if Leinster go for the line during the regular season then the right decision was made, if they go for the posts then it was the wrong decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,216 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Its on the coaches BECAUSE the players didn't know what to do! Which is MAD!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,673 ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I agree entirely, tbh.

    From a coaches perspective, you don't want to be completely prescriptive so there's always going to be an element of empowering the players to make on-field judgement calls, as they'll often have a better feel in the moment for whether they should go down the line or take the 3.

    But for me, there's way more a case for that earlier in the game. With 4 minutes to go in a 3-point knock-out game, there's only one decision, imo. Those kind of scenarios should even be decided before the game, imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭ersatz


    That's not really making a decision though, it's following sign posts. Just because in regular league games you do x does not mean you do the same thing in a knock out game, the context is different. It's why you hope senior players have learned over the course of their careers to make good decisions when they are stressed and tired. Not the case with Conan unfortunately, he was looking to his coaches to dig him out but it seems they didn't know what they were doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,060 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    It speaks to a lack of situational preparation. How have they not discussed these scenarios, and planned for them? Especially given the experiences of the previous finals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Amazing if it didn't come up, but maybe it's just more Leo learnings bluff. Leaving Barrett on the bench suggests that deep down the coaches thought the game was a gimme (they have form here) and they too were panicked and not thinking straight as the clock ticked down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    Did I not read somewhere that Barrett's game time is restricted when both Henshaw & Ringrose fit?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Not according to Leo at the presser. Benching him was some sort of strategic move, maybe saving him for big games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,060 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Buying into the finishers idea. Outsmarting themselves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭ersatz


    All those learnings paying off. If there is any silver lining maybe it will be the retirement of that horrible word.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    Looks like Doris will be out for the rest of the season. Big blow - really he shouldnt be needed this weekend against Zebre but it will be difficult in the knock outs without him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,060 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I hope Osborne is backed at 12 going forward. Said it before sat, and it was glaringly obvious, that Henshaw is a spent force. Time to move on. I'd be looking to do the same with Ringrose next year too, he's not what he was. McCarthy should be benched for his laziness, useless lump. Baird was far better when he came on. With Mangan and Soroka playing well, he should be made to earn his spot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    off the Ball with BOD. A few points that stick. Piling the blame on the coaches is inappropriate yes they deserve some but the players need to perform on the big stage and they didn’t on this occasion again . Lions 3rd 10, Ford, Farrell & Smith ahead of Sam. But from an irish perspective it would be great for him to experience the tour as you learn so much. Finally, Best thing to happen Crowleys career was Saturday performance, but that didn’t follow through to the Lions debate where he didn’t get a look in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭ersatz


    BOD running cover for Leo. He talks about player responsibility being the main explanation yet confirms that he's seen the same thing happen at the knockout stage again and again, while the same players perform for Ireland. Hmmm. Pundits don't have to be right or insightful and the hosts will rarely challenge them on contradictions but this makes no sense.



  • Subscribers Posts: 43,076 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    The word "pundit" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭typhoony


    Except it was the Coaches team selection that was primarily the reason the players were put in a difficult decision at the end. But yes on the pitch in the moment it's the players responsibility to make the correct decision however they would also be conditioned by the coaches what to do in penalty decisions and that has been in 80% of occasions kick to the corner. Scenarios obviously were never discussed with captains, co-captains, reserve captains and again that's on the coaches



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Similar things have happened in Leinster losses before, bad decisions and a lack of leadership have stalked their underperformance for years while coaches and captains have talked about learnings directly afterwards. It keeps happening and coaches refuse to take responsibility. The selections fiasco is inexplicable other than maybe something nienbar thinks is a great idea because it has worked for SA, though the comparison doesn't hold up. Anyway, he is as masterful a bluffer as Leo.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    I think it’s less about what they do in strategic or tactical terms, more how they turn up and execute on the basics



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    This pundit just happens to be our best ever player arguably and still very much in the loop & informed



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,834 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    If SP had his confidence dinged after the match, winning the the Irish Times try of the year and the the Young Player of the year award will help him get over it….

    EDIT: I don't think that try is all that amazing, to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Speaks to SPs pace too, was that a back row closing on him?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,425 ✭✭✭almostover


    Then Irish media lunacy over Prendergast continues so. The young player of the year is maybe warranted but that try was far from try of the year. Snyman did most of the work and the 15 for the opposition did his best Prendergast imitation with the attempted tackle.

    When will this crap end?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,727 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Murray Kinsella and Bernard Jackman made some good points on the Rugby Weekly extra podcast today. Both agree that Leinster lost the game in their own heads before it even kicked off. They don't agree on why it happened but the defensive alignment issues and lack of line speed points towards a lack of mental clarity. It could be down to selection being known early in the week which led to a sense of misplaced confidence.

    Kinsella also made the point that some years ago Leinster lost any sort of enjoyment in rugby. They focus too much on the Champions Cup, put all this pressure on themselves and crack under it. Both pundits agreed that a URC victory is a must. It brings a winning feeling back into the organisation after too long without one. And it's a stepping stone to a Champions Cup. Knowing you can win a final again beings some clarity and eases some pressure in those big Champions Cup knock outs.

    They both have no idea what happened with selection. Boyle should have been in the 22 instead of Healy and Barrett should have started. They don't say it outright, but a lot of the blame for that loss is on Cullen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,727 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    The only lunacy surrounding Prendergast is those people who lose all semblance of critical thinking skills when he's mentioned. That try was a 80m breakout that featured offloading from two tight five forwards. That's why it was given the award.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,060 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,316 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    Was it not the 5 that nearly got to him at the end?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Ah, I'd expect a ten too beat a br in a footrace over 50 meters. They should be one of the fittest players on the field.



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