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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning added to OP 10/1/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭thereiver


    Japan has always been an strong ally of the United States they are threatening to sell some us Treasury bonds because of trumps new tariffs if they do so it will cause us interest rates to rise and the dollar to fall in value we can take nothing for granted trumps policy's are having negative effects in the us economy

    The layoffs of irs staff will encourage more rich people to evade paying tax as the most highly qualified staff are gone The ones who audit company's like Intel apple and billionaires tax returns tax. Revenue will fall by at least 500 million

    There.s no way doge is going to save the government money in the long term

    An irs employed on 80k collects millions in tax revenue by doing audits of rich taxpayers

    Trump is destroying international trust in America he is also encouraging people to buy digital currencys instead of the dollar

    He has a trump coin

    Now all.movies made outside America have a 100 per cent tariff most Hallmark movies are made in Canada as it's cheaper and there's tax credits Hollywood is in decline more films and tv shows are being made outside los Angeles

    There a quiz show made in Dublin to take advantage of tax credits

    1000s of experienced scientists are leaving America as doge takes apart federal agencys

    Doge is basically a bunch of arrogant tech bros whose main policy if there's 1000 people working here let's lay off 500 people regardless of their experience or qualifications in the guise of reducing waste or fraud

    I



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,953 ✭✭✭circadian


    I await whatever Hollywood studios associated with this latest tariff to start getting tax breaks to make movies that amount to little more than propaganda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,047 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Seems like Jon Voight has been discussing plans with studios to get them to film more in the US, and put forward a plan to Trump which included some moderate tariffs, but also some incentives to entice studios to film in the US.

    So instead Trump just publicly said there'll be sweeping 100% tariffs.

    Because all Trump is is a businessman who now has the ability to affect his competitors prices. So rather than offering deals to consumers, incentives to suppliers etc, he can now just raise his competitors prices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭yagan


    Trump's desire to devalue the USD is the greatest threat to existing debt holders like Japan. Ironically the fear of an asset like T bonds being devalued is spurring diversification away from the USD, which in turns begets the thing that's feared.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,168 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,687 ✭✭✭threeball


    At what point does the dollar stop become the reserve currency and another currency like the Euro picks up the mantle. If that happens, the US is well and truly fcuked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Trump saying he's going to defer to his DoJ's interpretation of Supreme Court rulings.

    Here's live footage of his DoJ interpreting (contrary) SCOTUS rulings.

    Untitled Image

    As I've said and will continue to say: the SCOTUS has no real power if the mechanisms to enforce their rulings become compromised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    The orange lad just can't handle things that don't go in the direction that look good for him, can he?

    Silly, silly boy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭yagan


    I don't think another one currency will replace the position the USD has. It was attached to oil, the literal lubricant of the post WWII global consumer expansion.

    even China prefers to use it's USD surplus for belt and road investments. Currency pairings between central banks like the one betwixt China and Australia since 2014 are becoming increasingly common. So while they may use less USD, they're not replacing it with another third party currency.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It should be noted that the local TV station in Florida (where Trump was at the time) was showing Clint Eastwoods "Escape from Alcatraz" the night before he dribbled out this idea..

    Pavlov would have field day with this lad…



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    So, would that mean that when Netflix film "Emily in Paris" for example they will be subject to Tariffs unless they film it in the US??

    Utterly moronic and unworkable and I see that the White House sanitation department are out in force already trying to clean up after their leader.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,252 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I think the point is that the average US consumer could do a lot worse than cut back on the sheer volume of crap they buy all the time.

    The average US consumer spends more than twice what the average Irish consumer does on "stuff" each year.

    The fact that most/all of the crap they buy is currently sourced from China is sorta secondary…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    It's workable for some movies. Build sets in the US to mimic Paris etc.

    I wonder how it would work in real life though for movies shot in multiple international locations? Would it be like the Swiss watch industry? As long as 60% of the value of the watch comes from work done in Switzerland, it can be called a Swiss watch. Would something like that be workable for the movie industry?

    I think confidence in doing business with America is shot to pieces and isn't going to recover very quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,825 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I think Trump thinks there's containers of VHS tapes that get shipped into the US for films filmed outside of America or something.

    I'd love to see how they plan to collect tariffs and how the studios can get creative. Film in Europe and then Paramount EU licence the film to Paramount US for a licence fee. So is he planning on tariffing royalties? In that situation the money would be leaving the US, which is even worse for the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,415 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    He has something of a point here. Many of these are American productions that have been offshored due to tax breaks. Yes you could say the US should offer similar to entice the productions back but that is a taxation race to the bottom.

    How do you entice American film and TV productions home without eroding the tax base and workers rights?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    That's just it..

    Like everything else , movie making is global.

    What makes a movie "American" ?

    • US Production Company?
    • US Distribution Company?
    • American Actors?
    • American Director/Production staff ?
    • American Funding?
    • American locations?

    What % of each of the above would allow a movie to qualify as "American" ?

    And that's before you work out who pays for the tariff and on what revenue?

    Do they pay tariffs on revenue from Europe/Asia?

    If it's a co-production between multiple companies in multiple jurisdictions who pays what?

    Trumps answer to every perceived issue is to threaten the "Big Stick" - No discussion of any kind of carrot.

    Jon Voight who is Trumps "Ambassador to Hollywood" was recommending tax breaks and various other incentives along with very limited and narrow tariffs in very specific cases , but all Trump babbled about was "yuge" penalties and tariffs..



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,324 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    How do you entice American film and TV productions home without eroding the tax base and workers rights?

    Isn't that the key question about the production of all goods and services for the US?

    It's not the tax breaks that are making them leaving the US - They are leaving the US because the cost of doing business is exorbitant. The tax breaks help them decide whether they film in Canada or Ireland for example , but the decision to film outside the US is already made.

    Bringing back ANY "production/manufacturing" industries to the US will require fundamental reform of Business legislation and regulations at State and Federal levels to improve employee rights , safety rules , cost limits , price gouging , profiteering etc.. etc.

    But legislation is not something the GOP have shown the slightest interest in doing for a very long time.

    So they just stamp their feet and shout whilst employing the only tools they have in their armoury - Threats and Bullying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,168 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I heard this explanation and it put the situation in understandable terms.

    The Chinese didn't "steal" any jobs.

    Years ago, companies paid US workers f**k all and workers had no rights.

    Next, workers got smart, joined unions and demanded proper pay.

    Rather than pay US workers what they were worth, and to protect their "bottom line", said companies moved their jobs abroad in order that they pay chinese workers f**k all and maximise profit.

    That's it in a nutshell.

    If you want to "bring the jobs home", you will either have the companies pay their staff more (not gonna happen), or charge more for the items (not gonna happen).

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The part that I'm finding even more fascinating is, do they plan to put tariffs on all international cinema? I'd suspect this is gonna be one of those raids tarriffs that is entirely unworkable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,088 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Roll on for the Trump/Carney meeting, waiting to see if Trump will have Vance as a back-up in the meeting or will he be standing alone at the meeting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @everlast75

    If you want to "bring the jobs home", you will either have the companies pay their staff more (not gonna happen), or charge more for the items (not gonna happen).

    There's another option whereby you can just pay local workers an absolute pittance. The impression I get from some of these rust belt towns that have never been the same since the local factory closed is that they're so desperate for industry to return that they'd welcome it back, whatever the cost. It almost seems to be more of a symbolic thing than practical. If they can have that shiny new factory where the old one stood, they'd forego union rights and a living wage, and they'd call that a dignified working existence. They would thank their employers every day that they should be exploited so.

    Not that this would even be an incentive to move industry back because the startup costs would eat into owners' profits in an unacceptable way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,722 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Agree but not just that .

    Other countries , Europe Canada are increasingly.. well in the last decade anyway since ruse of MAGA , more stable places to do business .Companies are incentivised not just financially but with better access to worldwide markets .

    Higher levels of education also figure especially with Tech and Pharma.And a bigger pool of those well qualified and experienced workers from all over Europe and Asia who find it easier than migrating to US .

    Also because of stronger employee legislation many of the workers in US industries located here eschew unionization which does indeed help create a more pleasant environment for those companies .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,088 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Mattel's CEO, Ynon Kreiz, has stated that the Co will be increasing the cost of its toys, apparently in response to the tariffs imposed by Trump on imports into the US. Most of Mattel's production lines are in China and Mexico.

    To avoid discussion about what Mr Kreiz said, I've taken the liberty of adding a link to his statement [from NBC NY].

    https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/business/money-report/mattel-ceo-says-toy-manufacturing-wont-come-to-america-but-price-hikes-will/6252655/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,415 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Jobs won't come home by improving rights, since that just increases cost base. In an international marketplace jobs move to the place where it is most adventageous to perform the work and cost is the major element of that.

    The choices are to make it cheaper to do business domestically or make it more expensive to do it elsewhere. The latter can be achieved by tariffs or tax treaties.

    This though is a bigger question about international tax competition, admittedly something Ireland has done very well out of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,301 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Elsewhere on FB I saw a post that said the containers with Chinese goods and, now, 3-digit tariffs, will start to arrive this week.

    Sure enough, there was this post (emphasis mine)

    "Yesterday I posted a clip from my friend Barry Barr, the founder of KAVU clothing brand who’s 32yr old business is under serious threat of collapsing because of the new tariffs Today, I received a private message from a friend in California (who asked to remain anonymous) who is shutting down his 20yr old business, that employs over 150 people, because of tariffs.

    But it gets worse. When he shipped his last container of goods from China to Long Beach, there were 10% tariffs on Chinese goods. He was willing to absorb that. He has over three dozen dealers around the USA waiting for his goods- dealers whose very existence relies on suppliers like him. For half of them he’s their main supplier. Between when the container shipped, and its arrival in long beach, tariffs went from 10% to 145%. The result? He owes the U.S. government over $150,000 for this shipment. He has cancelled his second container that was due to leave China just days after the 145% tariffs went into place. That would be another $150,000 he’d owe the U.S. government.

    To be clear, China does not pay these tariffs. That’s an outright lie. It’s complete b*llshit. And Trump knows it. The American business pays it. Not China. So he has $100,000 worth of goods sitting in Long beach, and another $100,000 of goods sitting in a port in China, both of which he’s already paid for. So what has he done? He’s walked away from his business, and the shipments in both China and long beach, and cancelled all his other orders, several of which he’d already paid the manufacturing deposits.None of his customers will accept a 145% price increase. That would make their purchase price more rhan double the current retail price. And he’s not about to throw good money after bad money absorbing that kind of loss.

    So yesterday he laid off all 150 employees, one of which just had twins and needs the job, and closed his doors. He called a meeting, explained what happended, and sent everyone home. He’s abandoned both shipments, and informed his dealers. Some of the dealers will likely also close because these are goods they desperately need, and most of their other suppliers are facing the same problem. That’s several dozen American businesses, with dozens of employees each, and decades of building their business, that will close. In a snap. Just like that. Because Trump doesn’t have the slightest idea how the economy functions. And if he does understandnd, he just doesnt give a f*ck about Americans and American businesses.

    My friend? He said he’ll survive. He has some real estate and some savings. He’ll default on the million dollars in loans the conpany has from severall banks. That’s their problem. They can’t touch him personally. What happens to the two containers? When I asked he said “it’s no longer my problem”. This is what half of American voters wanted. They voted for this and they continue to support this. If you still support Trump, let me put this in the planest terms. You’re a f*cking moron of galactic proportions. This is just the beginning.

    "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,173 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    How do you make America a better place to do business when workers there already have bugger all rights? It's the only country in the whole world with no mandatory minimum annual leave allowance.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,354 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I think this misunderstands the core problem though. Generally speaking it is the older populations that are desperate for industry to return as their kids are all leaving to take up better paid jobs in bigger cities. But if the industry came back those kids wouldn't stick around and work in the factories, they'd still leave cause factory jobs are crap and they can get better and better paid jobs elsewhere.

    It is just ridiculous nostalgia for a significantly worse past.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,415 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Goods underway were typically being charged the tariffs in place on departure so it seems odd he got stung like this.

    Of course if they changed the day before departure I could see how it was too late to stop and unload



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,415 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Well increasing workers rights won't make them more competitive.

    The solution may well be the prohibition of international tax competition.

    Should countries including the USallow the system to be gamed so that companies pay nearly nothing?

    In terms of film production, the Irish credit is generous to say the least.

    "A producer company can use film relief as a credit against Corporation Tax (CT). If the relief is more than the tax due, Revenue will pay the difference.

    The amount of relief due depends on the production costs of the qualifying film. The credit is 32% of whichever is the lowest of:

    eligible expenditure

    80% of total qualifying film production costs

    or

    €125 million

    .



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