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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭Field east


    Trump/ MAGA can do without these ‘good for nothing’ individuals/imbocils!!!!!!!!!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,374 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “A big part of Trump's rhetorical technique is just to throw things out there for his base to latch onto.”

    He did this throughout the election - his rallies were a testing ground - if the crowd roared at his mad suggestion, whatever it was, then motion was carried - if their reaction was lukewarm, idea was shelved



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,186 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    The irony is that he's kinda gotta point! One that happens to be completely at odds with the consumerist capitalist model that has enriched the US over so many decades and infected the economies of so many other countries.

    There was that story a few days ago of the woman who always has 20 or 30 Temu orders on the go at any one time, and how the tariffs are going to hurt her so badly. Well, she could save money by ordering less and do more/better with what she does order.

    It's the same with the "thirty dolls" scenario. Mattel may not like it, but there's really no reason why a child should feel they need a collection of thirty Barbies, and no good reason for any parent to be buying them the hottest new variation every Christmas …

    Not that I think Trump's reasoning is joined-up enough to be behind a crafty attack on manipulative advertising and the deleterious effects on the third-world workers who feed our Western consumerism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Temu / Toys etc. are irrelevant in the numbers. The vast majority of imports from China are things that people either need, or value is added to them. It's like a mechanic saying he is saving money by not buying tools. It completely ignores the value created with all of that machinery, and all of those raw materials and chemicals etc.

    "Saving" a million dollars by not sending it to China isn't so hot if it kills ten million dollars worth of added value created in a factory in Wisconsin.

    Creating value by making shlt you can buy on Temu is a pointless use of human capital and resources in a developed nation. You are choosing to make toys from plastic instead of robots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,054 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Aka Marie Antoinette had a point when saying "let them eat cake".

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,684 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,780 ✭✭✭threeball


    This is exactly it, including Trump. People are looking at the end product when its a tiny fraction of trade. For example, the US still has quite a number of big Air conditioning manufacturers who do have facilities in the US, but I'd say 90% of their parts come from China. They're just assembly lines. So the tarriffs will not only shut these down, but it will also reduce the volume or replacement parts and those that do get through will treble in cost. So if the AC in your house or shopping mall in Florida or Georgia packs it in over the summer, you probably won't be able to buy a replacement and if you do it'll cost you treble what it did last year.

    Its these kind of real world scenarios that are going to explode in the next 3 months. Barbie dolls are the least of their worries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,796 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    And baiting the libs is something that the US president should be doing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭thereiver


    Japan has always been an strong ally of the United States they are threatening to sell some us Treasury bonds because of trumps new tariffs if they do so it will cause us interest rates to rise and the dollar to fall in value we can take nothing for granted trumps policy's are having negative effects in the us economy

    The layoffs of irs staff will encourage more rich people to evade paying tax as the most highly qualified staff are gone The ones who audit company's like Intel apple and billionaires tax returns tax. Revenue will fall by at least 500 million

    There.s no way doge is going to save the government money in the long term

    An irs employed on 80k collects millions in tax revenue by doing audits of rich taxpayers

    Trump is destroying international trust in America he is also encouraging people to buy digital currencys instead of the dollar

    He has a trump coin

    Now all.movies made outside America have a 100 per cent tariff most Hallmark movies are made in Canada as it's cheaper and there's tax credits Hollywood is in decline more films and tv shows are being made outside los Angeles

    There a quiz show made in Dublin to take advantage of tax credits

    1000s of experienced scientists are leaving America as doge takes apart federal agencys

    Doge is basically a bunch of arrogant tech bros whose main policy if there's 1000 people working here let's lay off 500 people regardless of their experience or qualifications in the guise of reducing waste or fraud

    I



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,448 ✭✭✭circadian


    I await whatever Hollywood studios associated with this latest tariff to start getting tax breaks to make movies that amount to little more than propaganda.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,603 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Seems like Jon Voight has been discussing plans with studios to get them to film more in the US, and put forward a plan to Trump which included some moderate tariffs, but also some incentives to entice studios to film in the US.

    So instead Trump just publicly said there'll be sweeping 100% tariffs.

    Because all Trump is is a businessman who now has the ability to affect his competitors prices. So rather than offering deals to consumers, incentives to suppliers etc, he can now just raise his competitors prices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭yagan


    Trump's desire to devalue the USD is the greatest threat to existing debt holders like Japan. Ironically the fear of an asset like T bonds being devalued is spurring diversification away from the USD, which in turns begets the thing that's feared.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,054 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,780 ✭✭✭threeball


    At what point does the dollar stop become the reserve currency and another currency like the Euro picks up the mantle. If that happens, the US is well and truly fcuked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,039 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Trump saying he's going to defer to his DoJ's interpretation of Supreme Court rulings.

    Here's live footage of his DoJ interpreting (contrary) SCOTUS rulings.

    Untitled Image

    As I've said and will continue to say: the SCOTUS has no real power if the mechanisms to enforce their rulings become compromised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,473 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    The orange lad just can't handle things that don't go in the direction that look good for him, can he?

    Silly, silly boy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,727 ✭✭✭yagan


    I don't think another one currency will replace the position the USD has. It was attached to oil, the literal lubricant of the post WWII global consumer expansion.

    even China prefers to use it's USD surplus for belt and road investments. Currency pairings between central banks like the one betwixt China and Australia since 2014 are becoming increasingly common. So while they may use less USD, they're not replacing it with another third party currency.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,747 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    It should be noted that the local TV station in Florida (where Trump was at the time) was showing Clint Eastwoods "Escape from Alcatraz" the night before he dribbled out this idea..

    Pavlov would have field day with this lad…



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,747 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    So, would that mean that when Netflix film "Emily in Paris" for example they will be subject to Tariffs unless they film it in the US??

    Utterly moronic and unworkable and I see that the White House sanitation department are out in force already trying to clean up after their leader.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,374 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN




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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,747 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    I think the point is that the average US consumer could do a lot worse than cut back on the sheer volume of crap they buy all the time.

    The average US consumer spends more than twice what the average Irish consumer does on "stuff" each year.

    The fact that most/all of the crap they buy is currently sourced from China is sorta secondary…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,856 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    It's workable for some movies. Build sets in the US to mimic Paris etc.

    I wonder how it would work in real life though for movies shot in multiple international locations? Would it be like the Swiss watch industry? As long as 60% of the value of the watch comes from work done in Switzerland, it can be called a Swiss watch. Would something like that be workable for the movie industry?

    I think confidence in doing business with America is shot to pieces and isn't going to recover very quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,400 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I think Trump thinks there's containers of VHS tapes that get shipped into the US for films filmed outside of America or something.

    I'd love to see how they plan to collect tariffs and how the studios can get creative. Film in Europe and then Paramount EU licence the film to Paramount US for a licence fee. So is he planning on tariffing royalties? In that situation the money would be leaving the US, which is even worse for the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,091 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    He has something of a point here. Many of these are American productions that have been offshored due to tax breaks. Yes you could say the US should offer similar to entice the productions back but that is a taxation race to the bottom.

    How do you entice American film and TV productions home without eroding the tax base and workers rights?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,747 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    That's just it..

    Like everything else , movie making is global.

    What makes a movie "American" ?

    • US Production Company?
    • US Distribution Company?
    • American Actors?
    • American Director/Production staff ?
    • American Funding?
    • American locations?

    What % of each of the above would allow a movie to qualify as "American" ?

    And that's before you work out who pays for the tariff and on what revenue?

    Do they pay tariffs on revenue from Europe/Asia?

    If it's a co-production between multiple companies in multiple jurisdictions who pays what?

    Trumps answer to every perceived issue is to threaten the "Big Stick" - No discussion of any kind of carrot.

    Jon Voight who is Trumps "Ambassador to Hollywood" was recommending tax breaks and various other incentives along with very limited and narrow tariffs in very specific cases , but all Trump babbled about was "yuge" penalties and tariffs..



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,747 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    How do you entice American film and TV productions home without eroding the tax base and workers rights?

    Isn't that the key question about the production of all goods and services for the US?

    It's not the tax breaks that are making them leaving the US - They are leaving the US because the cost of doing business is exorbitant. The tax breaks help them decide whether they film in Canada or Ireland for example , but the decision to film outside the US is already made.

    Bringing back ANY "production/manufacturing" industries to the US will require fundamental reform of Business legislation and regulations at State and Federal levels to improve employee rights , safety rules , cost limits , price gouging , profiteering etc.. etc.

    But legislation is not something the GOP have shown the slightest interest in doing for a very long time.

    So they just stamp their feet and shout whilst employing the only tools they have in their armoury - Threats and Bullying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,054 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I heard this explanation and it put the situation in understandable terms.

    The Chinese didn't "steal" any jobs.

    Years ago, companies paid US workers f**k all and workers had no rights.

    Next, workers got smart, joined unions and demanded proper pay.

    Rather than pay US workers what they were worth, and to protect their "bottom line", said companies moved their jobs abroad in order that they pay chinese workers f**k all and maximise profit.

    That's it in a nutshell.

    If you want to "bring the jobs home", you will either have the companies pay their staff more (not gonna happen), or charge more for the items (not gonna happen).

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,599 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The part that I'm finding even more fascinating is, do they plan to put tariffs on all international cinema? I'd suspect this is gonna be one of those raids tarriffs that is entirely unworkable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,877 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Roll on for the Trump/Carney meeting, waiting to see if Trump will have Vance as a back-up in the meeting or will he be standing alone at the meeting.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,039 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @everlast75

    If you want to "bring the jobs home", you will either have the companies pay their staff more (not gonna happen), or charge more for the items (not gonna happen).

    There's another option whereby you can just pay local workers an absolute pittance. The impression I get from some of these rust belt towns that have never been the same since the local factory closed is that they're so desperate for industry to return that they'd welcome it back, whatever the cost. It almost seems to be more of a symbolic thing than practical. If they can have that shiny new factory where the old one stood, they'd forego union rights and a living wage, and they'd call that a dignified working existence. They would thank their employers every day that they should be exploited so.

    Not that this would even be an incentive to move industry back because the startup costs would eat into owners' profits in an unacceptable way.



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