Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Alleged War Criminal #1 (at large) has no problem verbalising his utter hipocricy. Israel on the side of "civilisation"? Not in a million years. Qatar couldn't have responded better.

On Saturday evening, PM Netanyahu posted in English on X that "the time has come for Qatar to stop playing both sides with its double talk and decide if it's on the side of civilization or if it's on the side of Hamas barbarism," adding that "Israel will win this just war with just means."

In response, Qatar's Foreign Ministry said that Doha "firmly rejects" Netanyahu comments, and that its foreign policy is not at odds with its role as a "credible and impartial mediator," and that Qatar continues to work closely with both Egypt and the U.S. "to secure an immediate cease-fire, ensure the uninterrupted flow of humanitarian aid, and advance a just and lasting peace one grounded in justice and humanity, not violence and double standards."

the evidence says mostly civilians have been killed with only a small amount of hamas millitants, so therefore based on the information from all of the credible sources that has been provided, i am ultimately not wrong.

genocidal racist apartheid israel deliberately target civilians as a matter of course.

Yep. So under threat they're building civillian housing in the occupied territories and giving tours of areas just annexed

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/11/israeli-military-organises-tourist-tours-of-newly-occupied-syrian-territory

Seriously.

So the same country that wiped out its indigenous population, fought a civil war over slavery, and slaughtered millions in countless wars across the middle east were right to drop nukes on two cities in Japan to save lives?

The same country that flattened every single building in North Korea and was on the verge on dropping 24 nukes on China because they were losing that war?

The same country that is going to bomb iran in the coming weeks and create a nuclear disaster in the middle east because Iran 'can't have a bomb', yet it's genocidal ethnic cleansing neighbour currently invading three countries can.

Yeah, right.

Hamas are being targeted and punished

All food and aid is being blockaded to Gaza. Does doing this target...

A) Hamas

Or

B) Everyone in Gaza?

...in your opinion?

No Nagasaki and Hiroshima were not justified, IMO. You even suggesting that is hate speech. But I'm not surprised given your earlier comments.

North Korea is now nuclear and untouchable as a result of US action. And when Palestine has been ethnically cleansed, wherever they go will be the next nuclear power. That's what happens when supremacist nations occupy and destroy others.

I'll say bye to you now since you support this.

Using your analogy, Churchill and the British government were responsible for the 70,000 civilians who died in the Blitz and not the Germans, correct?

Keep in mind that Britain declared war on Germany and not the other way around

Meanwhile, back on topic -

"Israeli airstrikes have killed at least 40 people across Gaza during the past 24 hours, civil defence officials in the devastated Palestinian territory said, as Israel’s government prepared to order an expansion of its military offensive.

Nine people were killed when a strike hit a home in the Bureij refugee camp in central Gaza; another six people died in a separate strike targeting a family home in the northern city of Beit Lahiya; six more died in a strike on a community kitchen in Gaza City, and an overnight attack on the Khan Younis refugee camp killed at least 11 people including three babies up to a year old, the officials said."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/03/israeli-airstrikes-gaza-death-toll-bureij-beit-lahiya-khan-younis

Jaysus you are so blindfolded, naive and gullible. How can you believe the IDF anymore? The war is over. It has been over for many many months. Hamas were well and truly beaten long long ago. Gaza is completely ruined. What possible military objectives are left??

"The civil defence later said 10 more people were killed in a strike on a tent also in Al-Mawasi, among them a child and seven women."

Are you suggesting the other 2 were Hamas and this was a legitimate strike against to gain a military objective?? How is bombing refugee camps a legitimate war aim?

Do you accept that denying medical supplies and food/water is a breach of International Humanitarian Law? Yes or No.

I asked a few questions in my previous response to you. Please don't hide from them. They are important points.

all available evidence shows the israely military does nothing to avoid civilian casualties.
it also shows that the IDF use civilians as human shields including children.
it also shows that while hamas on occassions have used civilians as human shields, it has never been successful given israel deliberately target civilians.
the palestinian health ministry's figures have been generally accepted to be reliable by all reputable organisations, and even the countries enabling and supporting their genocide recognise the figures as reliable.
israel generally lie about everything, and their claims are always discredited by evidence, so their claims and figures are untrue.
therefore once again the hasbara propaganda has no credibility and is therefore misinformation.

Dropping the bomb didn't save any lives at all. Operation downfall was a non-starter and remained a paper operation only. It was never going to happen. Japan would have surrendered long before any US service man set foot on the home islands. At best they had until November before the blockade had starved them into submission and Suzuki's government were already looking for a way out long before the first bomb fell. The only ones standing in the way of issuing a surrender was the Army and Navy minister, who's only condition was that the Emperor wasn't to be harmed in any way. It was Hirohito, himself, that had ordered Suzuki to manoeuvre his cabinet to surrender.

As it turned out the Allies had no designs on Hirohito at all and could have communicated that to the Japanese. They knew through decrypts that the Japanese government were looking to surrender, but with some element of face saving. However, the US was determined by the summer of 45 to test their bombs on virgin cities because they wanted the data for possible uses in wars to come. That's why cities like Hiroshima and Nagasaki were chosen and not Tokyo. The former hadn't been bombed before to any degree and the latter was totally destroyed already.

The reality of the matter is Japan was finished and they saw the writing on the wall since the bombing of Tokyo in March. The US had her completely surrounded and nothing was getting in or out without interception. They were also reading all of their radio traffic and had complete control of the air. Japan simply wouldn't have been able to carry on, even if the Allies did nothing. It was eventually concluded that "Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated."

But there's plenty of food in Gaza according to Israel. So no, they're not starving the Gazans.

They wouldn't lie, would they? No Sir…

I have answered all of your questions, afaik. You said "The IDF could easily drive in and take over the tent". I replied " My God, you haven't a clue. You never heard of Muslim suicide bombs, IUDs, all sorts of traps etc."

Hamas are not totally beaten yet. They still hold a lot of hostages. They still fire missiles in to Israel givern the opportunity : how did they ever get those missiles: they were smuggled in to Gaza in convoys, that is how. How did they build such a labyrinth of tunnels to attack Israel over the decades? They used concrete etc meant to build other infrastructure in Gaza.

If the IDF deliberately targeted civilians, the death toll would be 30 times higher. Considering that Hamas hide behind human shields and do not wear uniforms, the IDF has done remarkably well to kill 20,000 or 22,000 Hamas with relatively few civilian casulties. Of course nobody wants civilian casualties. Tell that to the people killed in the Blitz in the UK, in Dresden, in Hiroshima etc. Casualties in Gaza are many times less. If Hamas did not continually attack Israel there would have been no war. I am not saying Israel is completely clean, far from it. But there are 2 sides to the story. It is not black and white as that Racist band Kneecap would have you believe. The day after the music festival attack Kneecap were praising the attack. Israel has tried to be nice, sending aid, water electricity in to Gaza before that attack. Now it says, you kill one of us, we will kill more of you. What else can they do because Hamas want all Israelis to suffer the same fate as those at the music festival.

Ok I didn't read most of that because I knew there were little or no proven facts in it. Just talk. And some more moving goalposts (e.g bands and music festivals i have zero knowledge of) just to muddy the water some more and avoid the questions.

I went back to my 2 posts where you didn't answer any questions. Here they are listed (go back to those posts for the context). You're welcome. How did you miss them?

1. When is the last time Israeli army sustained a casualty?
2. What are the military targets in refugee camps?
3. How can you believe the IDF anymore? 
4. Gaza is completely ruined - What possible military objectives are left??
5. "The civil defence later said 10 more people were killed in a strike on a tent also in Al-Mawasi, among them a child and seven women." - Are you suggesting the other 2 were Hamas and this was a legitimate strike against to gain a military objective?
6. How is bombing refugee camps a legitimate war aim?
7. Do you accept that denying medical supplies and food/water is a breach of International Humanitarian Law?

That's them all. Let's start with those. Please try and stick to this scope for now. Take your time, I am going for a long walk.

Hitler tried blocking all food and aid in to Britain from America during the war

..so Israel using nazi tactics?

You are all over the place.

Your position is a story. It is a narrative. It isn't backed up by facts, or by what we see happening. It isn't backed up by Israeli politicians routinely calling for genocide in Gaza, or by the current blockade of food and aid, bombing schools and hospitals

Those kneecap lads may be racist....I know absolutely nothing about them, but I'd expect you and your crowd would give them a run for their money in the prejudice stakes.

Israel has inflicted 100x the amount of death, misery, subjugation, violence, thievery, and dehumanisation of Palestinians than they have ever inflicted on Israel. This is evident for anybody who can read and has a bit of wherewithal to look into the recent history of the area.

You ignore the plight of the Palestinians, and highlight transgressions against Israel as though they are the only thing that has happened, when, as pointed out, they have inflicted multiples more misery than they have received from Palestinians. I have no idea why - and can only surmise it is hatred of Palestinians or Muslims, or a complete disregard for them. That is as bad as anything that kneecap crowd have said I'd wager. Tell me if there is a other reason for defending this?

You say Israel don't target civilians, yet ignore that they are keeping food out of Gaza and starving anybody inside. That absolutely evil, is it not?