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Calving 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭golodge


    Not a fan of twins, but it's sure is nice to see them once everything goes well.

    Calving season is going to an end bit by bit, but the most fun is still ahead-heifers. We usually calve them in April-May, while cows start as early as December.

    Second calving for this one. 276days, 75% bazadaise twin heifers. Loving both so far.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,734 ✭✭✭✭whelan2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭golodge


    Not sure yet. Dam and granddam were real good for milk. Gonna give her some meal until grass. Don't really like young cows raising twins, so if there will be a possibility to adopt one calf onto another cow, sure gonna do that. Last year another first calver had twins, but one heifer had a dead calf, so twins were raised by different moms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,144 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    nobody seems to be mentioning fertility. The number 1 reason I cull cows is because they haven’t gone back in calf



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭alan10


    Hi,

    Have 8-day old big BB calf, had to jack – tough enough calving. Wouldn’t suck cow for 3 days, was stomach tube feeding. Very dopey calk, zero sucking effort, would just stand beside cow, got steroid injection from vet (that appetite stimulate injection is no longer on the market). I was balancing keeping him hungry to suck and keeping him alive!

    Bit of progress Day4, would suck cow if I held cows teat in mouth and kept his tongue in – thought he had the hang of it so let them out and didn’t watch too close. Day6 very shook – he didn’t get the hang, dehydrated. Day8 scouring – busted him with milk after his 48hr hunger strike!

    Back tube feeding lectades and holding in the tongue.

    Was talking to vet – long story short “floppy tongue”. Didn’t hold out much hope for him.

    Thing is – calf is putting on weight, has overcome the scour – getting lively (started running this morning after cow). But I have to be there – put teat in mouth, hold tongue in and away he goes no bother! 😊 OH thinks I’m mad

    Take away my hand and he just stops

    Tongue always out same side (only when sucking) and actually cut underneath now as his teat must be cutting it if I don’t push tongue back in

    Any thoughts – am I wasting my time? Will he be able to eat crunch/grass etc…

    Do yous think he will get the hang of sucking?

    Vet did mention potentially stitching one side mouth abit to stop the tongue coming out the side



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭limo_100


    If I was you I would keep doing what your doing and in a few weeks calf will do it himself sounds like you have him well mended he just needs to cop on and latch himself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,428 ✭✭✭tanko


    You’re definitely not wasting your time, sure you could be at worse things. With a bit of luck at all he will get the hang of it, he is only 8 days old after all and has had a tough start, where there’s life there’s hope and all that.

    What bull is he off??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,708 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    Keep going the way you are going, calves like him are valuable, you have him pointed in the right direction so minding him for another wee while is no harm until you are sure he is all right.

    Sometimes a calf like that can get spoilt and like a pet dog loves a bit of attention, so would be wait for you to help him suck. But he ll grow out of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭alan10


    Cheers. He's the Dovea BB4438. Cow normally goes 2 weeks over past 3 calvings, she went 1 week over this time. Another point forgot to say, she had blood in 4 quarters for first 24hrs, cleared very quick, I just milked her out 1-2 times. I had colostrum from another cow.

    Will try get pic later …when I'm up holding his tongue in!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,666 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    @alan10 have a read of this article from the Farmers Weekly UK. It says that the doubling muscle gene maybe a cause. I've heard about it but thankfully never had a calf with it.

    https://www.fwi.co.uk/livestock/youngstock-management/how-to-manage-calves-unable-to-suckle-due-to-squinty-jaw



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    Interesting - see stitching mentioned here also to prevent the tongue slipping out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    Morning all, had cow calf herself last night, handled her to make sure calf was presentign correctly and was so left her,noticed one leg protruding bit long before the head appeared.

    Calfs navel is torn, so vein showing, bleeding stopped. Vet said should be fine once wasn't gushing blood. Sat him up and noticed front let not bending.

    Gave him bit of milk with large syringe to encourage suck. This morning he hasn't stood, doesn't see to be able to bend one front leg comfortably nor put weight on it.

    Gave him milk there again. Tried to stand but not able.

    Have ye seen this with the straight leg. I'm wondering is shoulder dislocated?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    would it be white muscles/ selenium deficiency? Had that in a calf here that wouldn’t stand. Shot from the vet and 24 hours later, a new calf!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,418 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Could that leg have been tuned back underneath him, while in the cow. If so, then a bit of stretching/physio should help.

    If not the case then try moving the upper part of the leg with the palm of your hand on the socket. You might be able to feel if it's out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,418 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    I had to pull a calf myself here 2 days ago. Cow was 2 days over. Saw her passing some bloody slime around noon. Watched her all day and she was constantly walking around the field. By 7 that evening, she was still passing slime.

    I dunno, just got it into my head that the calf was coming tail first. Saw it with a neighbours cow last year. Anyway slight pull got him as far as head out and then just pulling the ropes got him the rest of the way.

    Big bull calf. He was trying to stand straight away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    I'm not sure, doesn't seem to be flexible at the knee, the hock and shoulder are flexible, just when bending at the knee it is very rigit. I'll have another look at him at lunch time when i feed him. I didnt give any pull with this calf. A small light calf.

    She was served 298 days ago was afraid calf was going to be huge. ROMARIN ch 8580 sire

    The selenium might be worth it alright, but thought that was where they can't straighten leg, haven't seen this before.

    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 77 ✭✭alan10




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭cute geoge


    hunger might be a great sauce for him ,he looks a right dozy hoor!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 196 ✭✭V6400


    A milky cow like that can often have blood in the beastings, I think it's caused by blood vessels bursting because of so much milk and is no harm so long as it clears in a day or 2. My longest ever is 23 days of helping a calf to suck when I gave up and separated the cow a calf. 2 days later i needed the pen I had the calf in so put her back in with the cow and in she went and started sucking, so dont give up just yet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    Update, gave him a drop at lunch time and found him trying to stand. Helped him up and balanced him again the wall for few mins. Spotted him standing then around 5 and tried him suckling but didn't get going. Have him on a bit of pain and anti biotics. Think the giving him a drop regular and hope he comes right. He is standing better tonight and after stomach feeding him for the night.. one leg still not bending under him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,418 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Keep at it. I had a calf once that I thought had permanent brain damage. It kept going around in circles. I revived it after it had stopped breathing after a hard pull. About to give up and after 3 weeks, it latched on itself and it's walk came right eventually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    Busy day yesterday so he only got 2 feeds of 2 ltrs, stomach tubed.no desire on the nipple. Didn't spot him rising yesterday and though he was lethargic. Hope to split the feeds to smaller doses and more regular today. Saw him standing on camera earlier. Still awfull humpy and stiff. It must be from the calving I'm thinking now.

    WI'll keep on to him, I'd like to get him to suck the bottle or cow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,734 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    DDon't Stomach tube today, let him get hungry, too much stomach tubing isnt good either. If you haven't done already try honey on teat of a bottle



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    I haven't tried that, will do, no go with suckling cow earler, like that, he gone lazy compared to Friday morning. Thanks what would a 40kg, at most, calf need to get a day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,734 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    If you gave it a lectade or similar to make it thirsty- would also give energy. If he's not hungry he's not going to suck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,602 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    agree on both these points.

    I’ve been this soldier so many times - sometimes it’s come god other times not so good.

    1.5/2L would be plenty for him. Just enough to keep him alive but keep him hungry too.

    Best of luck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    Check his navel again, just in case. Did the Vet prescribe anything for follow up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    Ok the 4ltr in the day prob too much so, making him lazy.

    He is on pain and antibiotics for 3 days and get in touch with Vet again then. See where we are.

    Going to try him with a small bit of milk from cow or bottle there now. Maybe 200ml if he does suck cow. Feed him 1 ltr at 8am

    Thanks for advise



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    How is he going now?



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