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Irish Property Market chat II - *read mod note post #1 before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,999 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    historical prices are totally irrelevant


    neighbouring houses can vary significantly. They can be in different state. Some might have modern kitchens, bathrooms, some might be completed dated


    they may have different orientation, gardens et



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,037 ✭✭✭Villa05


    The definition of dysfunction. All hail our knowledge economy



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,803 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Development in Killiney in the news because U2 connections were among the 37 local objections to the planning application to build four houses in the grounds of period house in on Killiney Hill Road.

    I remember the merits and the price of the property in question being discussed here a few years ago when it was for sale, and one thing that was generally agreed on was it was lovely to have almost 5 acres of privacy in Killiney but whilst always premium property and priced accordingly it would never be worth mega mega bucks because you wouldn't have a hope in hell of getting any planning to develop it, architectural conservation area, destroying the unique character of the surroundings etc etc.

    Anyway, council refused the application, but for surprising reasons, the application was for too few houses!

    The Council has refused planning permission not due to objectors’ grounds over loss of privacy, overshadowing, negative visual impact and impact on the local character of the area.

    Instead, the Council has refused planning on the sole ground that Covelo Developments Ltd didn’t plan more residential units for the site which leaves the door open for Covelo to lodge revised plans for a scheme in excess of four units.

    In its formal refusal the Council stated that notwithstanding the site sensitivities and constraints, it considers that the provision of four units on the site “would represent underdevelopment of an accessible site with convenient access to frequent public transport services via Killiney DART Station and facilities in the nearby neighbourhood centre”.

    Couple this with comments from Jack Chambers yesterday:

    Asked about his criticism of objections grounded on the character of the area, an objection frequently used in established neighbourhoods in relation to new developments, he said: “An area absolutely can have a character, but to think that an area doesn’t accept more housing when people have existing housing, I don’t think it impedes the character of an area.

    “I think new people living in an area enhances the diversity and character of an area. The fact that people think they have a veto on more people living around them [reflects] a mindset that has to change.

    I think the signs are the government are finally going to get serious on housing delivery and are pulling any levers they can, including pressure on councils to abandon rip up long held existing practices, beliefs and development plans, and prioritise delivery at all cost.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ali-hewson-wins-planning-battle-over-killiney-luxury-house-scheme-1752460.html

    https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/04/16/jack-chambers-criticises-people-who-object-to-housing-on-basis-it-affects-their-areas-character/



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,425 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    My wife was saying that she read that some auctioneers now charge massive extra commission on any sales above asking price; 1% commission up to the asking price and then 10% on anything over in the example given I think. So for example, a house asking 500k, selling for 700k would incur a commission of 5k + 20k.

    Is that true?



  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,619 Mod ✭✭✭✭spockety


    That would result in a huge conflict of interest when they do the valuation for sale.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,425 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    exactly.

    to clarify - it seems someone sent this claim in to the crazy house prices chap (the person who sent it in claimed these were the terms of the EA selling hiw mother in law's house)

    this seems to have been following on from a question about how some houses sell for way more than the asking. AFAIK he's asked for feedback as to whether other people know of this practice, and how widespread it might be - so it could just be a one off, even if true?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,999 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    ^^ this


    many agents wouldn’t try it because they lower the asking price to get people into bid.

    They always give the selller an expected sale price.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,803 ✭✭✭hometruths


    I'd say it's total nonsense that this is a wide spread thing. Far more likely if the anecdote is true, it's a total chancer agent trying to take advantage of some sort of unique situation

    That's the kind of sales pitch that might have worked in 2011, i.e in a buyers market - it doesn't make any sense as a seller to agree to that in current market.

    Plenty of agents who aren't charging extra to sell at market value, any agent whose USP is to charge extra wouldn't last too long imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,702 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    This airbnb banning in towns of over ten thousand is comedy! It will bring around ... wait for it... ten thousand extra homes for long term let's... 10,000 lol. Meanwhile on a colossal brownfield land bank a few km from oconnell street, the council are planning mostly four floor apartment blocks...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 584 ✭✭✭theboringfox


    I have seen it but not linked to asking price. We had flat percentage selling but had discussed with agent a higher fee. House was put on market for say 400k. Expectation was it would make 450k-475k. We would have been over moon if agent delivered 475k. So to keep them motivated to do more viewings etc and market as best they could discussed higher fee if went over 500k. It would only be on that higher proportion and if it went that high then we are delighted. We decided go flat fee in the end as I felt if house does go that high itll be due to bidders going mad for it rather than anything agent did



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Im new to the property market in Ireland.

    What's the current trend, based on the following scenario...

    Buying a detached house, rural location .. Carlow, Kildare.

    Asking price of 500k.

    Is it still likely to go 10% above asking price? What's the best strategy to take on this?

    I am not in a chain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    We need more dense developlents in the city.

    AirBNB plays its part in supporting tourism and business.

    If we are going to tale hotels out of the market for IPAs, we should not ban AirBNB at the same time and expect to see a functioning leisure and business travel market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    New report from ESRI saying Airbnbs are not the root cause of the shortage in rental accommodation.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2025/0425/1509328-airbnb-esri/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,702 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    I agree! Government at every level blocking development as much as possible. Insosying on low density and outrageous apartmemt construction costs, is the real problem...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 781 ✭✭✭feelings


    I see hundreds of houses under construction in north Dublin. Everywhere I look, I see large housing estates being built.

    Yet there are still very long delays to get houses connected to electricity and water supplies.

    Many years ago, we waited months for both electricity and water to be connected. House sat finished for months, but delay after delay. We were renting and kept having to push out our move out date Thankfully the landlord was understanding.

    Seems nothing has changed and there are still huge delays in connecting services. Why is more pressure not being put on ESB networks and Irish Water to get the houses connected faster?

    Darragh O'Brien was housing minister for five years. And the housing crisis is worse than ever. Does he think he did a good job? You didn't Darragh.
    Edit: And I just realised he's now minister of Transport. Jays, failing up is it? 😡

    Post edited by feelings on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭Blut2


    number-of-houses-per-1000-residents-in-ireland-and-other-v0-lob8fcgg7xxe1.jpg

    What happens when we have both out of control population growth, and not enough building, at the same time.

    And the figure for 2025 will be even worse, given our accelerated yearly population growth since 2022 and flatlining home delivery figures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,037 ✭✭✭Villa05


    Somebody thought it was a good idea to appoint the wolf to care for the hen house with a 430k salary

    This is why housing will always be dysfuntional



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭DataDude


    I agree, but for different reasons.

    Don’t know anything about the fella but the salary on offer is nothing relative to the responsibility. Witch hunt for the guy linked to it with absolute garbage such as that article.

    Salary will be reduced. Some clown will take it. The competent people who could actually make a difference will stay in the private sector with salary’s a multiple of that on offer here with none of the public drama. Shame



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    Donald Trump salary is USD 400k but this Tsar should be paid more. I think it is a farce.

    Remember the shills only get paid when you react to them.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,803 ✭✭✭hometruths


    This latest row encapsulates why housing is in such a state in Ireland - it's all too political.

    Removing some of the politics from the problem by appointing this person and establishing this office was one of the first positive ideas for a long time. I'd happily support paying the right person multiples of 430k if they could get a grip on the situation.

    Adding up all the government supports and interventions for housing we're spending the guts of 10 billion a year on housing. Paying 430k to somebody to try and sort the problem is nothing in the context of this. It's peanuts.

    But once the salary became an issue in the headlines, the opposition jumped on it purely for political reasons, and then FG veteo'd it purely for political reasons.

    Absolutely nothing to do with genuine concerns about the money or a genuine desire to fix the problems.

    It's disgraceful, but if they are all at it, nothing will change.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭DataDude


    Spot on. It’s the public fault. Politicians just dance to the tune of public sentiment.

    We’re destined to either have power seeking loons or under qualified people in key roles because no chance could the public swallow someone being paid a decent salary to reflect the task at hand…that would be a greater sin than the crisis itself…meanwhile the CFO of Cairn homes made €1.7m last year and didn’t have ‘The Ditch’ digging up absurd nonsense on him.

    Same crew that will bemoan the fact that all politicians are rubbish but we should reduce the salary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,823 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Or more importantly as is often the case more or less bidders with more or less access to funds may have been involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,999 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    it’s what attracts the bidders that’s important.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,823 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Not really.

    It's blind luck a lot of the time for similar houses.

    All you need are two people with access to funds and desperation to push up a house price.

    If you have two people looking at the house beside it without the same access to funds or desperation house price tends now to go up.....all other things being equal or even unequal.

    Location is the key factor really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 887 ✭✭✭jams100


    Spot on, have a read of this completely botched HSE IT upgrade…essentially they went with the cheapest supplier and got what they paid for.

    Then you have the children's hospital, the complete opposite with new cheques been written out every month.

    I dont know if the guy who was getting 420k was worth it or not, but, 420k is nothing in the context of the billions we are spending, and if these jobs were done right we'd be saving multiples of this anyway.

    The opposition jumping up and down on something minor like this rather than focusing on putting forward their alternative suggestions makes me sick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭hello2020


    What's your thoughts on buying new Vs second hand house as old houses R in matured location while new house have good energy rating..

    New house will have long life n it increase in price in long term compared to old house.

    Old house have more space than new house !

    What's best if one has to decide?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Private second hand home is going to be more achievable than a new build, when the govt are frequently buying/renting new builds because they aren"t building social homes themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,675 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Location and space wins every time. As long as it's not a money pit I'd always go with they over a new build.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,823 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Location - every single time unless there's significant work needed on the better located house.

    Energy ratings are a bit of a con job in reality - and you'd be surprised how many issues you can have with a new A rated house that you won't have with an older house - particularily given some of the horror stories around how some building work is now done and the relative "unproven-ness" of some of the methods/technologies used over time. (People will argue with this opinon, thats fine)

    Older houses can be made more energy efficient and if that is the only thing that concerns you, I'd be going for location all day long.

    Depending on your circumstances - being close to a school (national/secondary/ideally both) is massivily important if you have or are planning to have kids. It's something you sometimes only really appreciate when you have kids but it's massive. This is one tick box in relation to location. You'll be ferrying kids to and from school for 8 - 15 years each or relying on public transport, be great if they could walk or cycle…….what kind of premium would you pay on this? You'd heat/retrofit a house with the money and time/hassle you'd save on transport in the first few years or pump a lot of oil into the house to have it toasty all winter long, and be doing your bit for the environment!

    Same for closeness to work, ability to walk to shops/pubs/restaurants - obviously the house may not tick all the boxes location wise.

    Not much point having a cheap to heat house if you have a 700KM - 1000KM commute every week or similiar.

    Never mind the actual matureness of the estate (lack of management fees etc, larger green areas, larger house plots) that you often find in older and generally better located estates.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭hello2020


    Thanks a lot for detailed info...we have found a new build overlooking beautiful park.... Park views sitting inside the house ...

    downside is lots of social housing around, not good public transport

    n kids school 6 km away...

    in the same budget we can get 20 year old house in Lucan near school etc…

    Hard to decide which one to go for ...views from new house are beautiful but daily driving time will increase!!

    Post edited by hello2020 on


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