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Hamas strike on Israel

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  • #42842
    Sudden Valley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Israelis for decades have elected governemnts that have supported the expansion of illegal settlements even though these are a huge obstacle to the two state solution. I can't see any of the peoples in the area demonstrating any desire for long term peace.



  • #42843
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414034#Comment_123414034

    Great we are getting closer to what people really think here . It's not the war on its own now. It's the Israel itself and the J word .



  • #42844
    Sudden Valley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Ah great getting to the point where criticising israeli government policy is now not allowed. How tiresome an argument.



  • #42845
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414052#Comment_123414052

    Who is sticking up for Israeli government policy ? You seem to be reading what you want . Fantasy land



  • #42846
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,698 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414047#Comment_123414047

    No it is not. No matter how many times people like you show up on this, and other threads, and start accusing people of anti-Semitism it doesn't make it true. If you cared about tackling actual anti-Semitism, which I don't believe for a second you do, you wouldn't devalue it by casually throwing around accusations thinking you are making some sort of profound and clever point.



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  • #42847
    Gerry T
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123412577#Comment_123412577

    Neth.. has been re-elected since 2009 as far as I remember. Israels plan to : steal land, intern men, women & children, kill people has being going on decades. You say oct '23 as if it played some part in Israels campaign. Other than acting as a catalyist, its business as usual for Israel.



  • #42848
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414089#Comment_123414089

    Look back on all the posts that are lies about the Israeli people . Like there is nothing to back them up . Just pie in the sky made up stuff all because of people's hatred of their every day citizens.

    Obviously the Israeli government and defence force are fair game and deserve all they get . But that's not good enough . No no . I wonder why ... Hmmm



  • #42849
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414105#Comment_123414105

    If he's re-elected post October 7th fair enough. Until then you just hate normal Israelis for one reason only . I don't have to spell it out.

    We still elect Fianna fail by the way . And vote for Sinn Fein in droves . Go back through their history.



  • #42850
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,202 ✭✭✭political analyst


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123413824#Comment_123413824

    No.



  • #42851
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,698 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414108#Comment_123414108

    It's not anti-Semitism, no matter how badly you want it to be.



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  • #42852
    Gerry T
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414108#Comment_123414108

    For the decades that israel has stole land, interned and killed people, if there was enough israeli people that stood against this policy then a politician would have run on a ticket against and won. Thats how a democracy such as israel works. Can you explain how successive govts with stealing and murder at its core continue to get elected.



  • #42853
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,202 ✭✭✭political analyst


    If the Israeli military campaign in Gaza was genocide then the Allied bombing of Nazi Germany would've been genocide - and the Israeli air strikes aren't even as bad as the bombings of Hamburg and Dresden. Thousands of French civilians died in Allied air raids aimed at German forces in France in 1944 but the French public didn't accuse the US or the UK of war crimes. Therefore, the claim that Israel is committing genocide doesn't hold water.

    Hamas hides behind civilians. Hamas is the government of Gaza and hides behind civilians. If the Hamas leaders in Gaza surrendered or went into exile, which Netanyahu said he is willing to do, then the war would be over.

    If the people who are accusing the IDF of genocide were around in World War Two, they'd probably be accusing RAF Bomber Command of genocide.



  • #42854
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414137#Comment_123414137

    Hating Jewish citizens for no reason ? Blaming them for what's happening in Gaza ? Hmmm



  • #42855
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,698 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414151#Comment_123414151

    At the very least what they are doing is ethnic cleansing but I'm sure you have excuses for that too. Modern international humanitarian law came about because of what went on in WW2, using examples from that war to justify what the IDF are doing now isn't the most compelling of arguments, but that's par for the course for you.



  • #42856
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,698 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414158#Comment_123414158

    Aside from in your head, can you show me posts where people are hating Jewish people for no reason? I don't recall seeing any because I would call anyone out for doing so.



  • #42857
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414176#Comment_123414176

    The everyday citizens of Israel . Those that get up in the morning with the sole purpose of going to work to pay their bills are being blamed for what is currently happening in Gaza . Read back a few posts . There can be only one reason for this.



  • #42858
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,698 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414179#Comment_123414179

    I have read the previous posts, so basically you don't agree with what those posters are saying therefore they are anti-Semites. Right.



  • #42859
    sock.rocker*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414126#Comment_123414126

    It is clear to me that you are completely unaware of the history of Israel and Palestine. October 7th isn't some point in time where Israel started misbehaving and thus their people aren't on the hook for anything that happened before that.

    Everything that Israel has been doing since October 7th they were doing for decades prior to that. The bombings, the settlements, locking up children for throwing rocks, the blockade of Gaza. It's all par for the course. It's what Israelis votes for and support.

    They drove a tank over a young white American woman there campaigning for peace for Christ's sake. In 2003, a full 20 years before October 7th.

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    An Israeli-owned bulldozer kills 23-year-old American woman Rachel Corrie on March 16, 2003, as she protests a demolition campaign that destroyed over a thousand homes in the Gaza Strip.

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  • #42860
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,202 ✭✭✭political analyst


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414170#Comment_123414170

    Ethnic cleansing? Most of Gaza's civilians are still there - and Trump's plan would mean encouraging them to leave Gaza, not expelling them.

    Incidental deaths of civilians were also caused by airstrikes by the Western powers in the campaign against ISIS but no case has been taken against the Western powers. Findings of guilt in courts of law are not made on technicalities.



  • #42861
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,202 ✭✭✭political analyst


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414228#Comment_123414228

    The bulldozer knocked a mound of earth over. Rachel Corrie was hiding behind the mound and so the driver didn't see her. Houses belonging to suicide bombers & their immediate relatives were demolished - & the bombers' relatives condoned the bombings.

    If you don't want to be run over by a bulldozer, don't step in front of a bulldozer. The Darwin Award comes to mind.



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  • #42862
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,698 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414249#Comment_123414249

    I'm not talking about Trump, I'm talking about what is clearly going on in Gaza. Just because you either agree with it, or are so clueless as to not see what the IDF are doing, doesn't mean it's not an attempt at ethnic cleansing. One hint: almost all civilian infrastructure has been destroyed.



  • #42863
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,698 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414255#Comment_123414255

    They deliberately killed her. What motivates you to make all these excuses for mass murder and war crimes? I get the larping as some sort of political commentator that you go on with, but you seem to go to extremes to justify the unjustifiable in the process.



  • #42864
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123413658#Comment_123413658

    No, the IDF is murdering babies - one was only a month old:

    RTE

    Gaza's civil defence agency has said that an overnight Israeli strike on the Khan Younis refugee camp killed at least 11 people including three babies up to a year old.

    Civil defence spokesman Mahmud Bassal reported 11 killed "after the bombardment of the Al-Bayram family home in the Khan Younis camp" in southern Gaza at around 3am local time.

    Mr Bassal said that eight of the dead had been identified and were all from the same extended family, including a boy and girl, both one years old, and a month-old baby.



  • #42865
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414023#Comment_123414023

    There haven't been any elections in Israel since Oct 7th 2023. There's one due next year - unless of course Netanyahu is found guilty of corruption or ends up languishing in The Hague awaiting his War Crimes trial.

    I'd be fairly sure you already knew this though so I'm not sure why the question to the original post.

    But of course, alleged War Criminal #1 (at large) has been voted in for years so there's a lot of support for him from Israelis. They should take responsibility for electing him and the likes of Smotrich and Ben-Gvir. All in all, three very unpleasant people.



  • #42866
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414047#Comment_123414047

    Your perceived intuition is remarkably off.

    The tactic however of accusing those who condemn Israel as antisemitic is very very tired. But clearly, some are still swallowing the Israeli hasbara hook, line and sinker.

    Remember the Israeli football fan who lost a tooth? That turned into a Pogrom.

    Feel free to regurgitate the accusations - they'll fall on deaf ears because no-one here is antisemitic.



  • #42867
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414108#Comment_123414108

    Really? Lies about Israelis? Would you mind awfully referencing this posts please?



  • #42868
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414151#Comment_123414151

    Your knowledge of the definition of Genocide could possibly do with a refresh - the UN website has the precise text.

    Presumably you think the ICJ is a bunch of amateur sleuths - they found the South African case against Israeli Genocide as "plausible". They even went as far as specifying provisional measures Israel has to implement - they had to do this twice. Israel ignored them twice.

    I'd say the chance of Israel being found guilty of genocide is pretty high - so yes, it does hold water. A lot of water.



  • #42869
    sock.rocker*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414255#Comment_123414255

    Do you remember the IDF's version of events of what happened at the ambulance before the video was found that showed them to be completely lying? Would that suggest to you that they might be prone to lying?

    You are choosing to believe the Israeli version of that event. Since this isn't my first day on Earth, I know that the presence and whereabouts of a white woman protesting the destruction of the homes you are currently destroying would be known to the drivers and all around. You can read the reports of what was seen that day.

    Israel has demolished what 80-90% of Gaza now using 2,000lb bombs mass-murdering tens of thousands of innocent people. But yeah sure, when they were demolishing those thousands of homes back in 2003, they were being super duper careful making sure to not kill anyone innocent. Yeah, totally.

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  • #42870
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414176#Comment_123414176

    On the two or possibly three occasions of posts crossing the line (in 18 months) there was immediate condemnation all round.

    The accusations are a very tired tactic and really don't wash any more.



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  • #42871
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,698 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123414339#Comment_123414339

    True, I had forgotten about those as they were so long ago and limited to a couple of posters but as you said, they were called out for what they were doing.



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