Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Israel isn't a microstate. As usual, you use words/terminology in your posts that you either don't understand or else are deliberately trying to misconstrue their meaning. I'm guessing it's the former though.

Yes, perhaps "tiny country" would be more appropriate.

Ah now, be fair, I didn't say that just about Syria. I was referring to all the killing they are doing in the region. As well as the land grabbing of course.

As for the ICJ, you must be aware that all signatories have a legal obligation to report genocide and other crimes against humanity. That SA have been enjoined by a myriad of other States is very telling too.

And you must also be well aware that the ICJ has a duty to adjudicate - not that they "have nothing better to do".

Of course, supporters of Israel will denigrate both the ICC and ICJ because it must be very uncomfortable indeed to be on the end of probable guilty verdicts.

That the ICJ found the case of Genocide plausible is very much on Israel - not the ICJ. The ICJ haven't been murdering tens of thousands of women and children.

Yes, Israel certainly does seem to be under attack from the inside:

• Settlers threw rocks and set Palestinian agricultural land on fire in the West Bank, a security source said.

Home grown arsonists. "As you sow, so shall you reap" springs to mind.

"nuclear armed tiny country" for the sake of accuracy.

A very sad state of affairs indeed if this is actually true.

𝐒𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐈𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐡 𝐄𝐏𝐏 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐠𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐝𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐠𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐬 𝐫𝐞𝐟𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐜𝐚𝐥𝐥 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐇𝐚𝐦𝐚𝐬 𝐡𝐨𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐠𝐞 𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐞’‘At the EPP’s 29th Congress in Valencia (late April 2025), delegates considered an emergency motion titled “The urgent need to release all hostages held by Hamas.” The resolution condemned “in the strongest possible terms” the despicable October 7, 2023 terrorist attacks by Hamas against Israel and called for the immediate, unconditional release of all hostages still held by Hamas (as well as the return of the bodies of those killed) . This motion – tabled by the Swedish Christian Democrats and Austria’s ÖVP – was one of several emergency resolutions debated on the congress’s second day . The congress approved the resolution by a show-of-hands vote with broad support from delegates across Europe.’

𝐒𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐧 𝐅𝐢𝐧𝐞 𝐆𝐚𝐞𝐥 𝐃𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐠𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐬 𝐀𝐛𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐢𝐧‘Despite the resolution’s clear condemnation of terrorism and support for hostages’ freedom, seven delegates abstained from the vote. According to Euronews, these seven abstentions all came from the Irish delegation of Fine Gael, the EPP’s member party from Ireland . In other words, every Fine Gael representative present refused to put their name behind the motion condemning Hamas and demanding the hostages’ release . No other national delegation joined in abstaining – Fine Gael’s seven delegates stood alone in withholding support for the motion. The resolution still passed overwhelmingly, but Ireland’s votes were notably absent in the show of support for Israel’s hostages.’𝐈𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐀𝐛𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐃𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐠𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐬‘Fine Gael’s delegation to the 2025 EPP Congress comprised seven members, all of whom abstained. Who were these seven delegates? Officially, the congress did not record individual names for the show-of-hands votes.

Two sources present confirmed that the seven abstentions were from Fine Gael’s contingent, but no formal roll-call exists to list each abstainer.’‘However, based on the attendees and roles at the Valencia Congress, the Fine Gael delegates likely included:•𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐨𝐧 𝐇𝐚𝐫𝐫𝐢𝐬 – Tánaiste (deputy prime minister) and Fine Gael leader at the time, who addressed the Congress on Wednesday . (Harris spoke of the need for courage to “call out the despicable Hamas attack of October 7” in his speech , yet his delegation abstained on the motion doing exactly that.)

•𝐌𝐚𝐢𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐝 𝐌𝐜𝐆𝐮𝐢𝐧𝐧𝐞𝐬𝐬 – Former MEP and EU Commissioner, who was present in Valencia and was elected as one of the EPP’s Vice-Presidents during the Congress .•𝐅𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞𝐬 𝐅𝐢𝐭𝐳𝐠𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐥𝐝 MEP – Fine Gael Member of the European Parliament (Dublin).•𝐒𝐞𝐚́𝐧 𝐊𝐞𝐥𝐥𝐲 MEP – Fine Gael MEP (South constituency) and a former leader of Fine Gael’s MEP delegation.•𝐌𝐚𝐫𝐢𝐚 𝐖𝐚𝐥𝐬𝐡 MEP – Fine Gael MEP (Midlands–North-West constituency).•𝐃𝐞𝐢𝐫𝐝𝐫𝐞 𝐂𝐥𝐮𝐧𝐞 MEP – Fine Gael MEP (South constituency).•𝐂𝐨𝐥𝐦 𝐌𝐚𝐫𝐤𝐞𝐲 MEP – Fine Gael MEP (Midlands–North-West, replaced McGuinness in the European Parliament).’‘These seven individuals constituted Fine Gael’s full voting delegation at the EPP Congress, aligning with the reported seven abstentions. Notably, all five Fine Gael MEPs were likely in attendance, and Fine Gael – as a founding EPP member – also sent its party leader (Harris) and a senior figure (McGuinness) to the gathering. In the absence of an official voting record, it is presumed that these were the seven who abstained. No other Irish delegates were present to account for the abstentions.’

Indeed it's a tragic situation all around. Life has little value to either protagonist. Either their own or the other side. Israel won't get their hostages back as things currently stand, it seems they're expendable baggage at this stage. Hamas won't give up so it looks like they're prepared to abandon their citizens to whatever carnage Israel throws at them and the world sits back and let's it happen. Courts make rulings and issue advisories as a protest it seems rather than any meaningful way of deterring what is going on. It doesn't matter how many are prosecuted, convicted, sentenced and punished. The 50 to 60 thousand dead won't come back. The loss of a sizeable portion of a generation of gazans gone will never know what would have happened if only someone outside had stepped in and forced a peace. Tragic situation.

Is there honestly people who dont condemn both ? Maybe you are one ?

The inaction and silence is cowardly and disgusting. It's inhumane. Only muslims.

Its high time the name of this thread was changed to The Israeli Genocide of the Palestinians, as that has been going on far longer and resulted in far more death and destruction than the October 7th attack. A horrible event which unfortunately pales in significance to the horrors that have followed.

Nobody condemns the palestinian people. Well, nobody in their right mind that is. Condemnation is reserved for Israel and Hamas.

Surely you mean their Government and not Israel ? Or maybe the masking slipped a little…. Getting closer to the 'J' word.

Do you support Israel's intention of removing Gazans from their homeland? If they leave, they will never be allowed to return. Never. Obviously Israel would prefer if they died of thirst or starvation.

The world is more than willing to provide food and medicines for the people of Gaza so they can survive in their own homeland. Just survive. Israel is the only thing preventing that. It's an enormous breach of IHL but Israel have somehow normalised this for many people which is scary in itself. The world should hang it's head in shame. Only muslims. Easier to turn a blind eye and blame everyone except Israel.

This…

Could we please change the title of this thread to "Israel's ongoing genocide of the Palestinians which long predates October 7th"…

No, I was commenting on the 'Only muslims' bit; there are muslim nations around them that don't get too involved as they also look down on the Palestinians and see them as problematic unfortunately. Israel's ideal scenario would be to ship them out, even under the guise of being humanitarian, but they'd never see their homeland again no doubt. The denial of aid is unrefutably an Israeli strategy and a war crime.