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Cork Airport - *Read Mod Note in First Post Before Posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭Frostybrew


    Yes, it looks around three times the size of the existing security area. I wonder are the DAA thinking of US pre-clearance as a future option? It will also allow for a considerable expansion of the duty free shopping area when the move is completed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    To me, it wouldn't even be about the food aspect, lounge is just relaxing compared to sitting outside of it before your flight. My only issue with it is I wish it opened at 4.30 as the 5am open is a bit tight for the 6am flights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    Niall McCarthy confirms a brand new executive lounge will be built as part of the airports €200M capital development plan

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/economy/arid-41617021.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭whispering1


    Also new routes for 2026



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Id be half worried on that. If it keeps same service, great, but I'm used to something new being something cheaper and with less to offer at this stage. Cork's lounge is actually one of the better ones imo (only thing it's missing is its own bathroom). It's a lot better than Aer Lingus offerings in Dublin or London, and only one that I can think of that was a lot better than I've been at was Barcelona.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭revelman


    Bergerac coming up as destination from Cork on Ryanair app



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 213 ✭✭TheBetsy


    One off for Munster match in Bordeaux few weeks ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭Frostybrew


    €200 million capital development plan is due for release this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,146 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Lets get started and get the C3 scanners in! I can understand why Cork is one of the last to get them given the construction work required due to their physical size and weight, as well as the configuration up there, but they are so so far behind it needs to be sorted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    Is it this year they’re being implemented?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,787 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    200 million seems a lot for what has been announced. They have a solar farm, additional boarding gates, a new car park, knocking the old terminal and a pier extension to the main terminal building. The scanners were part of a previous funding announcement I believe. Gatwick had a 180 metre pier extension for 8 gates at 140 million pounds announced last month. Cork would go for a 90 to 100 metre 4 gate pier I guess, which would be about 100 million euro at a push. The other announcements would come nowhere close to 100 million in costs. Maybe I'm crazy but I'm still holding out hope for an extension to 16/34.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭Frostybrew


    Screenshot 2025-02-10 at 01.32.07.png

    Going by the above image we can estimate the south pier extension to be 220 meters, which could facilitate up to 10 new boarding gates, if both sides of the pier and the ends are used. Back in 2006 €160 million got us a whole new terminal, new roads, and a new multi story car park. Inflation has taken its toll since then, so €200 million won't stretch as far as we'd like. It would probably also include the second mini pier (North Cargo Gates) to the north of the terminal.

    I agree though, I would love if it were to include a runway extension. No idea what this would cost. The runway rebuild in 2021 was €40 million. An extension would probably include significant earthworks, and possible land acquisition and road rerouting; so could be the best part of €100 million. An extension of the taxiway, to cover the full length of the runway, must also be on the cards; as this would improve operational efficiency and allow for more routes to be added. This would mean moving the general aviation area, something which has been mentioned in previous development plans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,787 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    Wow! 10 gates seems excessive. That would equal Belfast international overall gates which has 7 million pax. Where are these passengers going to come from?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    Hoping they’ll surprise us with a runway extension announcement this week too. Literally the only thing stopping Cork from reaching its full potential is that we have the 2nd shortest runway of all of Irelands main airports.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,691 ✭✭✭Acosta


    Future proofing, instead of the usual Irish thing of waiting for places to be bursting at the seams, and then reacting, is a welcome development.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭Frostybrew


    A pier of that length could facilitate up to ten gates, though it seems from the image to be four initially on the south pier. With two new gates on the north gate pier and six in the main terminal, we’ll probably have a total of 12 boarding gates in the next few years. This should accommodate growth up to 5 million passengers per annum by 2030. The number of gates in the main terminal building is being reduced from 8 to 6, in order to allow for the expansion.

    I believe the airport are aiming for 7.5 million passengers by 2035; so building a long pier initially, and adding gates as demand requires, seems prudent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    Actually, looking at the image, it’s interesting there’s a wide-body parked at the gates too. Perhaps there ARE plans for a runway extension? Can’t see a wide-body service here while the runway is only 2.1km..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,787 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    7.5 million by 2035 seems a bit mad no? That’s well over doubling the pax in 10 years.

    Appreciate all of the posts though, seems like based on the plans there will be no extension to the runway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    Friday confirmed to be when the Capital Development plan is announced.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭Frostybrew


    Well spotted. There is land zoned for a runway extension, and the DAA tried to have additional land zoned for this purpose in the most recent city development plan. They are definitely planning for an extension, though I think they will be prioritising other developments in the short term.

    Yes, that does sound very ambitious. The DAA/Aer Rianta have had explosive growth in passenger numbers in the past, at both Cork and Dublin, so perhaps they are feeling confident. This was the case in the 90s and the first half of the 2000s, and to a certain extent at Dublin from 2012 to 2019.

    The international situation is much more volatile now, which could restrict demand. Possible drivers for growth would be increased population growth in Munster; and more developmental barriers in Dublin due to noise, environmental, and planning restrictions. This could force the DAA to make Cork more attractive to travellers from south Leinster, Galway, and other areas; a situation which many have speculated is already occurring. We recently saw better ticket integration with Irish Rail, and some people calling for better direct bus connections to the airport. There also is considerable support to connect the airport to a possible future Cork LUAS.

    Another factor is the fact that the DAA now see Dublin as a major international hub, and are competing with the larger UK airports for a slice of worldwide traffic. Cork may benefit from this situation by taking over some of the short haul routes that are primarily designed to serve the Irish market. This is more likely if the DAA are unable to resolve developmental restrictions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 213 ✭✭TheBetsy


    I dont think the DAA nor anyone else has given a 7.5mil pax target for 2035? That's over a 220% increase in passagers vs 2025 projected pax, doesn't seem realistic imo

    I doubt a runway extension is one the cards right now but would love to be proven wrong. DAA and airport management have consistently stated in recent times that further EU capitals cities etc is their main priority for near term growth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭Frostybrew


    The last airport development plan was released in 2013. I can't find a link to it. The only public info I can find dates from 2010, and is the airport's special local area plan. It mentions a range of 7.8 to 15.8 million passengers per annum by 2040, so the 7.5 million for 2035 is not being pulled out of thin air.. These figures are of course now dated, but do give an idea of unfulfilled potential. A large part of the stagnation of the airport's growth since 2010 has to do with the political mess over the attempted break up of Aer Rianta; and the uncertainty of what was going to happen with the debt incurred when developing the new terminal, and what administrative body was going to run the airport. Covid, of course, also didn't help.

    There are also mentions in the 2010 SLAP of plans for remote aircraft stands and bus transfer facilities for passengers, along with plans to extend the taxiway to the south east quadrant, a new cargo terminal, a relocation of the general aviation area; and extensions to the terminal and long term and short term car parks.

    Most notably, it references a preliminary study recommending a northern runway extension of 247 meters. IIRC the 2013 airport development plan had similar recommendations to the 2010 SLAP.

    I've linked the document below. It will be interesting to compare it to the master plan that gets released on Friday.

    https://www.corkcoco.ie/sites/default/files/2024-07/airport-slap-sept-2010.pdf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 213 ✭✭TheBetsy


    I see those figures now! Although must be said that document is looking at a near 25 year timeline to 2035. With 2035 now just 10 years away it would require very lofty annual growth of like 9% every year for the next 10 years. Not impossible of course but highly unlikely!

    Parallel taxi way should definitely be a priority, would allow for more efficient operations at peak periods.

    Yes and I think on the 202X Cork city development plan map there is a good portion of land north of 16 zoned for airport/runway use.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    Ryanair have started loading flights for Winter 25/26



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭revelman


    great to see! Nice to see Bergamo being extended to winter one again (was not last winter). But this might come at expense of Treviso or Venice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,787 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    Looks to be no flights to any of the greater Venice area airports next winter. No new routes either aside from resuming the Milan one. Decent enough frequency increases on UK routes most notable is Birmingham going to 5x weekly, Edinburgh going to 10x weekly and Liverpool going to 3x weekly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    FR’s morning wave departures look bleaker than last winters. Only Sundays the 3 based aircraft will be fully utilised in the mornings. Tuesdays appears to be the worst, with no morning wave departures. First Cork-based FR departure at 09:10 to LGW.

    All the other days see 2 of the 3 being utilised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


    I can imagine they will market BGY as this winters “New route” and that will be it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭revelman


    I’d be surprised if this was the final schedule. Probably more changes to come



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭TheBrownBird32


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    Just a stop over or is something else going on?



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