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How can a company accept blame for an employee grievance?

  • 01-05-2025 10:49PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭


    I have my complaint typed up and ready to go. I'm going over a manager's head to the employee relations person. Yes they may try and cover it up but if I'm to go to the WRC I have to have shown an attempt to resolve the matter. But I'm also thinking it over in terms of if they ask me "what do you want from us now?".

    I suppose I'd like a proper written apology and for me to not have to answer to this manager again. But even if they do accept blame on behalf of the company how can they really compensate for my grievance? If it went to the WRC I'd publicly get to embarrass them and there'd perhaps a pay out. So what does it typically boil down to in these situations?



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  • Subscribers Posts: 42,916 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Cool story bro



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭Hontou


    Greed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭hawley


    What's the nature of your grievance? If you're looking for compensation and an apology, it surely will have consequences for your position in the organisation. How long have you been there?

    Communication was the greatest fatality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,489 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    They won't pay you money for hurt feelings, if that's what you're thinking. If you can show that the decision that aggreives you has had consequences that cost you money — you were denied a promotion, for example — you might have a case for compensation for the measurable loss. But in general what you are likely to get — and what you should most want — is some combination of acknowledgement, apology, and steps taken to provide reassurance that the error will not be repeated.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,821 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007



    Well before you get that far you have to have an actual grievance that is recognised in law. And be aware that the company will have legal representation on their side. So you'd be well advised to take legal advice before putting on a show, because you could be the one that gets embarrassed!

    As for your expectations of an acceptable outcome - totally unrealistic. Expecting a written apology, dictating how they manage their company and then going on as normal…. not going to happen, you'll be gone the first time they have a valid need for a redundancy or you step out of line and they can justify terminating you. Think long and hard about what outcome you want and if it is worth walking a way…

    Advice make sure you have a winnable case by consulting a solicitor and be very clear on the out come you want and what the consequences could be before you act. I've seen people twice talk themselves out a job this way, because they did not a full understanding of who the law works.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 472 ✭✭Ted222


    The best approach in seeking to resolve work-related disputes is to do so as informally as possible, ideally by just talking and having it out.

    Submitting a grievance under a company’s related policy is a formal mechanism and should only really be pursued where more informal attempts have failed.

    A grievance assumes that there is preferred outcome that you want to achieve. Otherwise, why bother? You need to be clear therefore as to what this outcome should look like. It’s not a matter of compensation.

    If you go the grievance route and your grievance is upheld, it is incumbent on the employer to implement the findings. If not, then you could consider applying complaint to the WRC.

    Equally, if the grievance is rejected, there should be a right of appeal within the company. Ultimately, you can still submit a complaint to the WRC if you still feel motivated.

    As has been alluded to above, it can be difficult to continue to work in an organisation about which you’ve complained to the WRC so that’s another aspect you’d need to consider.

    Post edited by Ted222 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭Tom Sanders


    I suppose you’d say rape victims are greedy too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,406 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Ring joe Duffy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,615 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,174 ✭✭✭Trigger Happy


    If your greivance is rape then go straight to the Gardai.

    But otherwise the advise from Jim above stands IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭Tom Sanders


    Continuous false allegations from a supervisor, and then the bully managers in charge go out of their way to ignore any evidence I can point to to disprove it. I’ve had three now so far. It’s effected my reputation too as a friend of this supervisor as passed comments to me hinting that the allegations were true. The first manager fiddled with meeting notes because I caught him out so I’ve recorded subsequent meetings. Yes, the allegations were dropped in the end but that’s not enough. There 7 months. Passed probation now of 6 month.

    I’ve shown them that I’m also underpaid 3 hours in total. They happily fudged it so I came back with the maths to show them that they were wrong and I got no answer.

    Post edited by Tom Sanders on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭Tom Sanders


    I beat a company in the WRC before in spite of friends advising against it. I don’t get why people are so afraid. If they do go ahead and fire me I’d make a fortune.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭Tom Sanders


    What part of my post shows you that I have an expectation of an acceptable outcome from the company?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,169 ✭✭✭3DataModem


    " for me to not have to answer to this manager again. "

    • That's not going to happen. They are not going to agree to permanently change how they operate. They might agree to investigate the manager, but that will be handled as part of performance review / misconduct processes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭Tom Sanders


    Well this is a thread about the latest allegation against me if you’d like to know more

    https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkAdvice/comments/1kavkuq/best_way_to_make_a_grievance_in_this_situation/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71 ✭✭Tom Sanders


    Can you give me an example of a grievance that is NOT recognised in law? Have you witnessed employees lose because of making grievances that were not recognised in law? I'm all ears.



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