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Kneecap - New Footage

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Going after a band for words.

    Ignoring countries committing genocide.

    No surprise with the the US on this, and given the the UKs own history it's not much of a shock either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,237 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    If Bob Dylan would hurry up and get in his coffin he'd probably spin in it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,498 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Nobody is ignoring genocide. Why are idiots conflating here?

    The toerags called for people to murder people. This has eff all to do with Israel, Palestine or genicide.

    They incited and asked people to murder. Why is this so difficult for folks to grasp?

    Post edited by walshb on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,237 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Are the actions of counter terrorism police usually shared in the media while operations are ongoing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭Frost Spice


    Some amount of u-turns when it comes to the matter of free speech.

    The crowd usually happy with "cancelling" are now very much against it, and the crowd saying there should be absolute free speech are suddenly OK with it not being absolute.

    I'm mint.

    🇺🇦



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I’m not mad on the idea of ignoring a bad, for a greater good if I’m honest.

    There’s plenty of people out there devoting honest effort to try and bring peace in this conflict - and they’re not calling on people to kill their legally elected politician nor are they supporting a terrorist organisation, or providing the illusion that they are.

    The SDLP along with peace loving Irish went along with that b0ll0x for decades - we’re not interested in seen a return of it now. Fck the IRA- why don’t they say that if they’re so fcking on theme?

    My own view is- there’s certainly room for artistic expression using past relics from the troubles- for example - “Brits Out Peace In” was a graffiti slogan seen all over the island of Ireland in the 80s. It’s ripe to be used in artistic expression- be it music theatre or painting

    I just don’t think kneecap have done that- I think they’re sh1t-stirers for promotional gain - and they got it wrong - and they don’t have the balls to say they got it wrong.
    Fck kneecap- there’s my artistic expression



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,158 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    There is never a wrong time to call out Genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,158 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I honestly never heard of them until this but I don't like Rap music anyway so wouldn't have listened to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    it might help if you identified what “crowd” are in each camp



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,158 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Still peddling the untruths I see. All those poor kids. No shame at all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    So Gary Glitter making a stand against genocide by producing a fundraiser single, wherever that may be in the world- still happy?

    I’m not asking for your reaction to Gary Glitter per se- I imagine it would be an abhorrent reaction- as would most people.

    My point being, there are plenty of good people in the world who are desperately trying to do good and highlight issues - according to your post, it doesn’t matter who the communicators are, it’s the message that counts.

    I disagree- the actions need to be backed up by the words - I’m not comfortable right now with kneecaps actions - I have a right to feel that way - as do others- I don’t care what these “others” motivations are - they could be in the interests of peace or they could be, which in some cases they plainly are, in the interests of an aggressive regime and their sinister objectives.

    Does the end justify the means? Ask the victims families of over 30 years of death and destruction in Ireland and the UK.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,158 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I know nothing about Kneecap but i am against them threatening politicians or anyone else. I do back them for calling out the Israeli genocide though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,656 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    You see this is actually possible, I'd be the same.

    But according to some, if you are criticising Kneecap then you are for the murder of Palestinians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “I do back them …..”

    That’s where you and I-and maybe some governments, some governments that are in general on the side of justice, and some that are not-differ.

    I can’t “back” an individual, a group or an organisation, who on one hand express or encourage violence, but just also happen to support a cause recognised as a humanitarian crisis amongst other things- and I don’t really know much about this band either- but from what I can gather through some research, they’re pretty selective in their “causes” and what they say, and when they say it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,322 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Would anyone have taken them seriously though? They were shouting this as a slogan at one of their gigs to an audience of rap and punk fans - one might assume that potential terrorists or MP assassins are not regular attendees at Kneecap gigs. Yes, it was a stupid and provocative thing to shout, but there needs to be some context as well - if they had issued a lengthy tweet or given a live radio interview where they called for Tory MPs to be killed, that would arguably be much more serious and could well see them prosecuted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “Would anyone have taken them seriously though?”

    Well some are apparently taking them seriously on their support of Palestine. So you tell me- when do I take such a band seriously, and when don’t I take them seriously?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    This narrative is stupid and dreamt up completely by Kneecap themselves as a deflection

    For a start, there are many people calling out the genocide from all sections of society. Netanyahu has an ICC warrant out for his arrest. Louis theroux has a documentary Palestinian oppression on the BBC ffs.

    What does calling out to kill your mp got to do with it? How does it advance the cause at all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 910 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Easy.

    Don't kill your local politician.

    Agree or don't agree with their political views.

    Enjoy or don't enjoy their music.

    I remember the days of rappers getting abuse for their lyrics in the 80s/90s.Marilyn Manson too. All nonsense, like this. People jumping on bandwagons.

    It'll ultimately make Kneecap bigger.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    Kneecap were 100% on the money.

    The zionist regime needs to be dismantled before Palestine can be free.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,322 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    They clearly 'do' support Palestine and oppose the actions of the Israeli state : they have tweeted about this at great length and frequently, as well as giving interviews on the subject.

    All the pro-Israel / Zionist crowd have on them is a couple of shouted slogans captured on grainy footage filmed at two gigs in 2023 and 2024. It's hardly compelling evidence of anything. They can't find a single tweet or media interview where the group have ever expressed support for Hamas or called for MPs to be killed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    my question still stands- you have deflected / but you haven’t answered my question, which I believe is reasonable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,061 ✭✭✭Suckler


    If the apology had been more sincere, had they left it at (roughly) "we said something stupid, MP's should not be killed and we apologise to the family of Jo Cox & David Amess unreservedly". The addition of "smear campaign" and the conflation with calling out the administration in relation to Israel etc. certainly gives it the impression of a conditional apology, and no surprises it was criticised. No sincere apology ends with "shame on them". It was an immature apology and their management were equally pathetic.

    I doubt their comments on Israel swayed anyone who had any realistic opinion either way. Supporting Palestinians and supporting Hamas/Hezbollah are not the same and play in to the hands of those who wish to simply describe Irish people as "antisemitic". The like of Dana Erlich who are only itching to point fingers at Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,322 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Not a deflection. They were clearly idiotic and wrong to shout support for Hamas at a gig or say that Tory MPs should be killed, but the real story here is Coachella. Denouncing Israel and accusing it of genocide on such a big and public stage in the US is the thing that has enraged supporters of the regime (they probably couldn't give a toss about those other two videos if truth be told).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    No one cares about your daft analogies or whether you're uncomfortable or not.

    Israel are conducting a genocide of the Palestinian people, raping, stealing and slaughtering them with no restraint.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    My question was - when should I take this band seriously (in terms of what they say publicly) and when shouldn’t I?

    And sorry, I must say two things first :

    1. It’s not a “gotcha” question - I’m not trying to back you or anyone into a corner - it’s a genuine question …and
    2. Yes and sorry - “deflection” was a wrong word to use in my reply

    is it simply, that a lot of people are willing to ignore (in the interests of brevity), “stuff said”- because other “stuff said” is what they believe?
    But if this is so, Shirley, the protagonists in this story- Israel, MAGA America- others - etc- are allowed to also chose their perception of kneecap?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “No one cares about your daft analogies or whether you're uncomfortable or not.”

    I’ll put you down for a “maybe” for supporting Gary Glitter if he ever does a pro-Palestine record.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    How do you sleep at night shilling for genocide of women and children 🤢

    Mod Edit: Warned for attacking the poster

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,345 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I’m afraid you need to explain that post as I don’t understand it- if you have issues with my posts in some way, I invite you to report them and let moderators deal with it.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer




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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,027 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    @volchitsa

    Again Im not going to quote your entire post.

    You still didnt answer what I asked you - do you agree or disagree with the previous posters statement that Hamas put babies in ovens?

    The rest of your post I mostly agree with - What Hamas did in October 2023 was downright scummy behaviour whiich I absolutely condone.

    And yes I agree that Jewish kids have been killed just for being Jewish but is the same not true of Israel?

    However in your post reading between the lines you say the Palestinians civilian deaths can be directly attributed to Hamas actions on the day because they attacked Israel - Id agree to a point - but while Hamas are the government of Palestine the people of Palestine even want rid of them.

    Its my opinion Israel are just creating more future terrorists by deliberately targeting civilians - the circle will never end.

    The deliberate targeting of civilians by Israel is just as bad as what Hamas did in October 2023.

    In my own opinion its probably worse as they are now starving the population to death, displacing entire communities to tent camps and then bombing those same camps. Someone else mentioned that Israel - one of the most advanced armies in the world should be able to target terrorists with the minimum civilian casualties - not wipe out entire neighbourhoods to kill one or two terrorists.

    Its the disproportionate nature of Israels bombardment that is probably my number one issue.



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