Kneecap - New Footage

So I guess that the Equality and Human Rights Commission were "bought and paid for" when they found that there was a culture of Anti-Semitic discrimination and harassment in the Labour party under Jezza? Which the leadership knew about and did nothing to address.

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/media-centre/news/investigation-antisemitism-labour-party-finds-unlawful-acts-discrimination-and

There was never any particular evidence that Corbyn was a racist or was operating mostly for reasons of anti-Semitism. Yes, he was very left wing and quite radical in some of his views but this would be a not untypical viewpoint among left wing pro-Palestinian statehood types. There was an undoubted coordinated smear campaign by the British right wing press to blacken his name - hugely successful too, many on the right in Britain even now have an image of Corbyn as a hateful bigot, an extremist, a full blown anti-Semite etc (whilst scarcely even raising an eyebrow at Starmer and his cabinet's links to Israel).

I don't think we should turn a blind eye to the "kill your mp" remarks regardless of who says them.

I don't think the lads get a pass on that just because they (rightfully) oppose Israels genocidal actions.

There has been plenty of press about effigies of Irish politicians being burned on 11th night bonfires over the last few years, the reporting of it at this stage is a annual occurrence.

Plus that sort of behavior is not surprising from northern loyalists and unionists.

But as with a lot of the whataboutery on this thread, and this thread is full of whataboutery, the Kneecap case is different.

Plenty of people for years have been at pains to explain that supporting the Palestinian cause or the Palestinian people was not the same as supporting the Palestinian terrorists.

But what Kneecap did was come out and say they supported the Palestinian terrorists in front of a live audience.

And people didn't expect that to be the case, people thought they were like everyone else just supporting the Palestinian people.

That's why it's big news.

Well that and their straight up telling people to kill Tory MPs.

I do not think anyone could listen to worse growing up. Apart from the fact they are musically talentless, they are openly racist, ageist and incite others to violence. Not surprising as they dress up as provos and name themselves after a provo torture / disfigurement method. used to intimidate and maim. They said " We still have old men in London making decisions that affect my life in Ireland.“And even worse, they're f***ing Tories. The only good Tory is a dead Tory. Kill your local MP.”

A bad image for Ireland and not a great image to be associated with the Irish language either, or indeed Irish Republicanism or Irish unity, because the mask slipped and we saw how inclusive they are. Not only do they hate Tories, we know they also hate the English, old men, protestants, unionists, people who they do not agree with etc. I suppose the same people who their heroes ( if they were not their heroes would they wear a balaclava, call themselves Kneecap etc) the provos attacked and killed also. They do not seem too bright, no wonder they are never interviewed by the media. If they wanted the Irish language to be more inclusive, and if they wanted to foster decent community relations, they would not dress up as provos, call themselves Kneecap and proclaim that every word of Irish is a bullet towards a United Ireland, or words to that effect. Obviously if it was a U.I. there would not be much respect for Tories, English people, old people - people not like themselves.

Footage has also emerged from a concert in November which showed a band member shouting “up Hamas, up Hezbollah” at a performance at the Kentish Town Forum, and a Hezbollah flag being displayed. This has also been referred to the counter terrorism internet referral unit in the UK.

Both Hamas and Hezbollah are banned in the UK and it is a crime to express support for them.

Our taoiseach said Hezbollah was responsible for the killing of Irish peacekeeper Private Seán Rooney in Lebanon and Hamas was responsible for the “appalling killing of innocent people on October 7”.

Cannot understand why some Irish people support Kneecap, when they support Hezbollah and they killed an Irish soldier? They support Hamas and they killed and burnt alive and kidnapped and raped welll over 1000 men women and children at the music festival etc in the October attack? Even killed babies in surrounding houses and put them in ovens in front of their mothers. And Kneecap said they support Hamas?

One of the band members shouting a two word slogan 'Up Hamas' between songs at a gig a year ago (something that wasn't even reported anywhere at the time) can hardly be said to be definitive proof as to whether they support them or not. It's not the same thing as if they expressed support for the organisation in a lengthy tweet or in an interview with a national newspaper.

It's noticeable too that no other video footage of them purportedly supporting Hamas has surfaced in the last fortnight - and they presumably have performed many gigs in the last two years.

They’re now on a world stage - what might have been seen as “the craic” is being viewed in a completely different light by an international audience. The killing Tory statement also needs clarification - I think that’s the one that might get them from a UK perspective in that there’s likely a stronger “will” to prosecute that.
But I agree with you- I don’t believe they’re “supporting” a terrorist organisation - but I wouldn’t blame some American government organisation for thinking they do

it’s like a retro visit into the world of the “troubles”.

How would one tell the difference between the above, and people who want to drag us back there? I'd say the difference is that the former includes editorialising the events of the time. Good examples would be the various guided tours of the Peace Wall in Belfast, or the Martin McCrossan tours of Derry. I've taken foreign visitors on both of those, a few times.

I can tell you that there's plenty of retro there, but absolutely no chanting of "Up the RA" or "Kill a Tory MP" - never mind "Up Hamas".

This is something different: three men who are nostalgic for the days when it was quite acceptable in Northern Ireland to express support for violent thugs, as long as they were our violent thugs.

In fact it would have been risky to express any disagreement with that notion.

And to @Hellrazer who said he heard worse growing up: well so did I. That's why I never want us to go back to those times. And I'm very aware that some people do. Especially those who never lived through it. Out of curiosity, did you grow up in Northern Ireland?

Im trying to keep up can you clarify if possible.

The left want MPs killed and support Middle East terror groups ?

Its such a changing landscape

thanks

I listened to a lot of that when I was younger. Who wants what banned exactly?

so kneecap are this weeks cancellation attempt