Kneecap - New Footage

I also grew up in Dublin but nobody was advocating their followers to kill an English politician. Not even the punk rock bands of the time like the Boom Time Rats. They were singing "Banana Republic" instead. We used to watch Top of the Pops on TV and follow English football teams and most families I knew had someone who emigrated to Britain for work. A lot of people grew up reading English comics and magazines, no internet in them days.

Kneecap with their racism ( kill an English MP ! ) and agressiveness and balaclava and name even are from another dark age / different world. Shame on Kneecap, hope they are prosecuted.

There is no proof 20,000 innocent kids were killed. Hamas are prone to acts of exaggeration, like when there was an explosion near a hospital in the early days of the current hostilities, and Hamas said dozens killed by Israeli rocket, but it transpired that it was a Hamas rocket that mis-fired / exploded on launching and burnt a few cars in the hospital car-park. If there was a 15 or 17 year old from Gaza with a RPG killed, would you classify him as an innocent child?

There is not just one side to a story, as Kneecap seem to think.

Even killed babies in surrounding houses and put them in ovens in front of their mothers.

lol is this hasbara?

Hozier is a dose,always ranting about the catholic church and Israel, a right pain in the hole,looks too much like Russel Brand for my liking.

Israel should have focused on strengthening their defence, and been much, much more targeted and measured in their pursuit of Hamas leaders. They could have done this using drone surveillance, precision strikes, etc. It’s the IDF FFS- one of the most sophisticated militaries in the world, with unlimited US backing.
They simply didn’t want to though.

Why hasn’t Netanyahu been held to account for this severe lapse in national security? Because it suits him to be engaged in this horrific escalation of violence against ordinary Palestinians.

As for Kneecap- I think they’ve let themselves down and the apology was pathetic. Can’t respect someone who doesn’t take responsibility for their own actions. This was a chance for them to show they’re capable of growing up a bit, and they blew it.

Israel should have focused on strengthening their defence,

How much more could they do than they were already doing for years? And for how long more? Until the next attack? Or the following one?

They were already accused of making Gaza into a concentration camp - are you saying they should tighten the border even further? Would you not agree that that is as controversial a stance as the war itself? Maybe worse because it assumes that all Gazans wanted Hamas to remain in power. The war gave Gazans a chance to rise up against Hamas - if they'd wanted to.

(That they didn't want to, is on Gazans, not on Israel.)

But if Iron Dome and a heavily-militarised border is not enough, then how much of a percentage of their GDP would you advise them to put into this extra defence, rather than deciding that a military attack was a better solution? 10%? 50%?

and been much, much more targeted and measured in their pursuit of Hamas leaders. They could have done this using drone surveillance, precision strikes, etc. It’s the IDF FFS- one of the most sophisticated militaries in the world, with unlimited US backing.

I agree on this one. Except that when they did carry out extrajudicial killings, like the Hezbollah pager attacks, the very same people who say they're against the invasion of Gaza also complained just as much about the Hezbollah pager bombs.

And again, that's never going to be enough on its own to end the threat from Hamas: extrajudicial killings of targeted individuals isn't enough, and the pager attack can only carried out once: it had such a huge effect only because it was followed up by a military attack in Lebanon.

They simply didn’t want to though.

I'm fascinated that you have such clear insight into Israeli minds. But since they've been doing exactly what you say for years, and the Oct attack still happened, I'd suggest that it's far more likely that on Oct 8th, enough people in the Army command and/or the government concluded that that strategy had failed in its aim of keeping Israeli citizens safe.

I mean, clearly. Since the attack happened despite massive amounts being spent on exactly the strategies you suggest.

Why hasn’t Netanyahu been held to account for this severe lapse in national security? Because it suits him to be engaged in this horrific escalation of violence against ordinary Palestinians.

Well, yes and no. Or rather, no, and yes: he hasn't yet been held to account because the country is at war, and unsurprisingly, Netanyahu, who is nothing if not a political survivor is now able to use that war to stay in power. Before Oct 2023 there had been massive street protests against Netanyahu. If it hadn't happened, he might conceivably now be in prison.

So yes, Oct 2023 gave him a weapon to stay in power - but again, that's on Hamas.

In fact I feel like Hamas and Netanyahu are symbiotic. To the detriment of Palestinians, Israelis, and most of all, the chances of peace.

As for Kneecap- I think they’ve let themselves down and the apology was pathetic. Can’t respect someone who doesn’t take responsibility for their own actions. This was a chance for them to show they’re capable of growing up a bit, and they blew it.

Agreed. They were playing to the crowd, and they don't even have the courage of their own convictions when money is at stake.

This is the best PR Kneecap can get. They'll be even bigger by the time this all blows over and the snowflake right wing move on to whinging about something else.

Israel will have killed another few thousand or tens of thousands in the meantime.

It's happening with or without Kneecap's 2 cents, they're simply preaching to the converted.

They'll have to tone down their act if they want to play certain venues/countries.

Prosecution is a bit much, maybe losing out on big ticket gigs is punishment enough for their bank balances.

I’d doubt such a phrase breaks a law- but may gain the attention of certain immigration agents in certain countries and could result in a visa refusal - but that goes for any band or group or individual who engages in knocking certain countries

Yep their fate is fully in the polices hands at the moment, I think they are famous enough to JUST about get away with it. Laws have never really been fully dealt out equally.

It’s a crazy world we live in where words are considered serious, and genocide is just another day in the office.

Ah here.

https://x.com/thetimes/status/1917964887248064694?t=cq-Ljw1zOQMRZ4shR47pIg&s=19

I see Christy Moore amongst others have signed a petition protesting against repression of artistic expression - I’m all for that - but are kneecap demonstrating artistic expression when saying kill tories and up Hamas?

In my view no. Why? Because they had the opportunity to explain their b0ll0x statement around “context”- but there was no context - they’re making provocative statements and just happen to make money and increased ticket sales - is that “art”? Maybe it is, maybe it’s not.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/musicians-rally-around-kneecap-after-row-over-kill-your-mp-footage-1758224.html