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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Georgia is probably the one of the few who will agree to take them back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Hungry Burger


    Are they not as Australian as the Australians for simply rocking up there on a flight?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,304 ✭✭✭crusd


    The problem is a failure of planning for increased population not increased population. Ireland is still under populated. We just did not plan for infrastructure. The vast majority of immigrants are doing economically valuable jobs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭briangriffin


    The born abroad figure is 100% more than 20% in fact its much closer to 25% than 20% there was a big discussion on this thread weeks ago but you continue to spread falsehoods about the % born abroad. What difference does it make if almost 25% today are born abroad?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,701 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    They were constantly on the airwaves on this and I was thinking to myself, they're absolutely nutters

    This party need to stay well clear of government for all our sakes



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,680 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I question the legality of that in Ireland. If it is legal, I question the morality of it. I would love to know why they did this.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,680 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Internet tough guy routine aside, how can you seriously call for people to be locked up without trial? They haven't been convicted of a crime, they've simply claimed asylum. In what world is it morally ok to lock people up who aren't criminals.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,382 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    100% more than 20% is 40%. There has been no census since 2022 so a figure of 25% is nothing more than guess work, and bad guesswork at that.

    12% of Irish residents have non-Irish citizenship, not 20% plus.

    20% of Irish residents were born outside the state, including from Northern Ireland and the children of Irish nationals who'd lived abroad.

    The crucial information is in bold lettering to prevent the spread of lies about more than 1 in 5 residents being from other nations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,216 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Micheal Martin's opinion I think you meant to say. I was just explaining that the figures referred to different things and so were not in themselves contradictory.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Why should the Irish/Danish taxpayer pay for them?? Where is the morality in that??


    I’d imagine the did it as a push factor. Come here and you’ll pay for it yourself, no free rides. Unlike Paddyland, where the politicians will screw the natives to pay for the world.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,680 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Why should the Irish/Danish taxpayer pay for them?

    Because it’s morally correct to help people in need. Big ol softy that I am, I believe in helping those less well off.

    If this issue only comes down to money, then it’s a non issue for me.

    I’m not the only one who believes that either. Every country who signed the 1951 convention on human rights feels the same.

    I look forward to the posts call me naive, that will be thanked 17 times.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Did the US sign up to this 70 year old convention? Are we bound by it forever and have to house anyone who turns up?

    Heard Michael McNamara on today FM saying we might be deporting Georgians working in the building trade but why didn’t they apply for a work visa instead of claiming asylum? He also complained that AS can only have an initial verbal application and not a verbal appeal, just a written appeal. What’s wrong with that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,235 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I'm going to ignore the first bit of your post, it sounds like something a teenager would come out with.

    As for detention centres, they will have a roof over their head and 3 meals a day and the authorities know where they are at all times.

    But you can rest easy Brian because there is no chance Martin and Harris will do the right thing and set up these centres.

    Unlike other European countries we have leaders who don't have the stones to do what is necessary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,382 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Holly and Gary won't be keen on that. They've got constituency and farming work to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,382 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    I note that the 'patriots' on the march invoke the 109-year-old Easter Rising proclamation yet struggle with the concept of a international legal convention that is only 74-years-old. I wonder what they make of the Magna Carta from 1215 and its continued use here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Right so, if asylum seekers arrive to this country with means, and let’s face it not everyone fleeing genuine persecution/war is in poverty, they should be allowed to keep those means while the host country’s tax revenue funds their expenses?

    Then they get on their feet at some point and can later liquidate their means for a route to the comfortable life they led before fleeing?

    How is that fair to the socioeconomically disadvantaged in our society? Stinks of classism to me, particularly as you believe it’s morally correct to help people in need - are existing residents of this country that may be in a poverty cycle not in need?

    Protection applicant’s valuable objects that hold sentimental value can be put in escrow or pawned under a scheme for a long term with an option to recoup, rather than liquidated immediately.

    Why fund asset-rich applicants at the expense of disadvantaged existing residents?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Actually, as a thought experiment - so if a war broke out here, or a natural disaster that necessitated fleeing, those of us with means, assets and investments would be better placed for relocation and a climb up the social ladder in a new place than the people with nothing to take with them?

    Seems unjust and contrary to equality and the principles of asylum seeking..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    So whats the justification for not chartering a flight for all the Somali and Bangladeshi migrants (two of the other top 5 countries of origin). Cant think of any other reason than the government not wanting the image of loading black/asian people onto a plane. Incredible hypocrisy and pure racism by the government in only cherry-picking who the immigration law should be applied to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭tom23


    I was thinking the same myself. same with Nigerians. Can’t imagine all the cases are legitimate. Georgians seem to be low hanging fruit. Shure we have loads of Ukranians. That will do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭tom23


    that’s it Brian yer a big softy. That’s the problem with the left in this country It’s all ‘feelings’ and guilt, shure we’ll be all in the **** together and we can blame the civil war parties.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Hard to find fault with MOL. System is being widely abused by people who claim asylum knowing thy are not eligible largely thanks roderic and Co. There is very clearly a large quantity who are non genuine seeking asylum and government really need to invoke mass scale deportations



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,680 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    what other European countries put people in detention centres?

    I’m quite happy to defend the moral stance that locking innocent people up is wrong. It should be a non controversial position to take.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,680 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Ok. This has to be satire.

    I’m defending the following position: it’s immoral to lock innocent people up and take away their possessions, if they’re claiming asylum status.

    Has boards gone this far right that this is a controversial opinion? We are 1 step from demanding the rebuilding of debtors prisons and work houses now.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,004 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    it’s from the CSO alright, the link is with the post, you have to copy and paste emit though. It is 20%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭Drumorig


    Mod Edit: Warned for link dumping



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 89 ✭✭_Quilombero_


    It's immoral to allow an unlimited number of people from anywhere in the world to roam freely around Ireland after they've destroyed their passports and lied about their identities.

    It's immoral to put Irish people at risk by NOT restricting the movements of people who have entered the country by breaking the law.

    The immorality of it is particularly striking given that we know that the system is being widely abused and we have proof that many of the people abusing the system are extremely violent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭tom23


    It’s a bit of satire and a bit of the other stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,397 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Native Irish business owner run out of Dorset Street. She's an inner city girl herself and fears for her other business on Pearse Street.

    I think she mentioned early on that she's one of a tiny amount of Irish owned business left on that street.

    Why is it always Gript doing this excellent reporting. Newstalk and RTE should be lining up to interview her.

    Warning, some distressing scenes in the video.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,103 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Why or when has the American rhetoric of simplistic "Right" & "left" become the norm in Ireland?

    I can be 'right' on some issues, 'left' on others; To simply box people off and label as 'lefties' does little.

    People who label like this have experienced little of either explicit regimes in the real world.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    You were begging for deportation flights a few months ago, now you're complaining because the people being deported aren't the right colour 😁



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