Very quiet in here

My "lived experience" is that the far right deliberately use invented anecdotes\relatives to peddle lies and it is entirely valid for social media forums to take measures against that.

I am aware. Perhaps a solution would be to allow the anecdote, allow it to be refuted and then move on.

That was the problem 🤣🤣

That's not a discussion. It's just two soapboxes \ two opposing platforms. You can read them separately and independently if you want on a blog, or facebook or party website.
In a discussion, posters respond to points made by others, challenge and rebut.

And the reason why they are making claims \ statements of fact is to support an argument. It is not just about verifiable facts. But they are the foundation of a position, it is "why they believe what they do".
And anecdotes can be used as a weaselly way of making false claims that cannot be scrutinised, a way of peddling scurrilous rumours and lies.

If you are just going to discount "what you believe to be incorrect" without regard to the facts and evidence cited to support that argument, you will only be agreeing with what you read within the bounds of the position you started with. Pointless.

If a poster is just pushing nonsense though then that's not gonna be a very productive discussion.... So yep there absolutely should be limits in terms of what kind of unfounded claims can be pushed. Even the conspiracy theory forum expects some kind of source for a claim. Current Affairs should obviously be an even higher bar.

And in the case of the immigration thread then falsehoods or made-up stories are frankly dangerous so simply not allowing random anecdotes that are unverifiable seems like the best option TBH.

I again, disagree.

I know I have spoken to you on many an occasion and it was far from productive. We just seem to be diametrically opposed as to where our beliefs lie. Rather than just discard me as a "bigot" "nazi" or any other silly names you throw out.

It would be productive if I learned why you believe what you do, and why it differs from where I am coming from. But unfortunately, that seems to not be the way people think. You just want to hear your opinion parroted back to you and me similarly. I'd love to hear my voice shouted back. I disagree with people that disagree with me. I don't disagree with people on "my side".

I am more open to hear unabashed opinions, even if I find them offensive.

And people are free to cite articles about crimes post conviction if they want... However posters vaguely claiming crimes is somewhat dodgy. It's a bit reminiscent of how historically groups have been unfairly tarnished. Eg historically you had rumours about Jewish poisoning wells or more recently Donald Trump claiming Haitians were eating dogs, it's outright dangerous and ends up with minorities targeted. If a poster is claiming to be a witness to crimes then they report it to the Gardai.

In terms of other kinds of speculation then it's far more wide open for defamation.… So once again probably a not good thing to be occurring on the site.

I also don't believe I've ever called you a bigot or a Nazi, in relation to your other post in response to me. This just sounds a bit like personal grievances tbh...

I never claimed it was.

You've proven that you refuse to answer a direct question (or three!)

You don't need to engage with me, but forgive me if I don't engage with you after ignoring 3 direct questions.

Except a lot of posters don't behave like grown ups. I can think of posters that absolutely make things up and other posters happily lap it up because it suits them. So at a certain point in certain discussions, a line needs to be drawn and that's effectively what's been done..

If this was a government website and not a collective of people discussing topics, I would agree.

The site should shut down anything that would get them in legal trouble, that is undisputable. But to think that you have the same political or social sway as donald trump is silly at best.

People should be free to say what they wish, but should be respectful and at least listen and respect other people. This is the main thing lacking on this website. People aren't willing to accept they are wrong.

I am not sure if you have ever pointedly called me a bigot or a nazi ECB, but from people with views that align with you have certain implied it. I accept the fact that you do not believe that, and apologies if I was incorrect. I may have misjudged you.

not sure why the Prison forum was discontinued tbh

I again, disagree. No surprise I guess.

I think it's a little bit of a superiority complex to believe that YOU and people that believe what YOU believe in are the righteous and the lesser people are susceptible to propaganda they see on social media and can become harmful.

So social media should shut them down so the only people that should see media on the internet in the mainstream think exactly like you do to avoid what you deem as harmful…….

Hmmm…..

The immigration thread is a shitshow. And I will both sides it. One side is "dem immigints" and the other side is "no, they are purely asylum seekers and we should believe them"

Anyway guys, I think I made myself clear. I will only respond if anyone has any specific questions or need clarification.