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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    Then can join as distance members possibly. Maybe the course is turning away green fees at a revenue loss compared to what the full members contribute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭bobster453




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,071 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    If Ballybunion and a handful of other elite courses did that, then yes, I think you could make a case that what they're gaining in additional tee time slots / green fees outweighs what they're getting in from full membership. In fact, it would be an almost certainty that those clubs would be significantly better off financially imo.

    But for the vast majority of clubs in Ireland, any normal club, it would be absolute madness to write off their full membership base. It would be some stretch to think that Slievenamon are turning away massive income in green fees because their full members have the course at capacity.

    From the outside looking it, it seems like its a final money grab by taking advantage of Distant members being "locked in" to a certain degree.

    I'm not sure how many distance members are in Slievenamon, but it seems to have been a very popular place for a cheap handicap. If those golfers were to switch to iGolf, it could possibly be the difference between GI being able to spin a succes story out of iGolf or not. With that in mind, I would say GI will be motivated to look at Slievenamon's GI affiliation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,071 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Didn't actually know of such a clause:

    Has to have a minimum of 50 Home club membership (of if less, GI approval is needed)

    It'll be interesting to see what GI do so. Any idea of the number of Distance members?

    If the club was to close (to full and distance members) then iGolf would surely get a significant proportion of those distance members... As mentioned in my other post, I think GI might be motivated by that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭bobster453


    Currently 1200+ members, approx 900 distance

    Wouldnt have to worry about spending money on a course with no full members i reckon.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    Hard to see why they closed their full members, and stay open.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,071 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    I think GI / iGolf will be eyeing up that group of 900.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,737 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    What's the difference between a distance membership and a Golf Ireland membership?

    Both give you a handicap to play competitions and for GI members they pay full green fee too?

    Is it the same with a distance membership you pay the full green fee too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,952 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    A distance member is actually a member of a golf club

    I assume that you mean and iGolf member, rather than a GI member. iGolf members are not a member of any golf club, but can submit rounds played at golf courses to Golf Ireland to maintain a handicap.

    Both distance members and iGolf members are GI members



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 684 ✭✭✭Dtoffee


    As I understand it, a distance member still has to play a certain number of games at his 'distance' club each year in order to maintain a handicap and also has to pay for insurance…. whereas a GI member can put in casual golf or open comp cards from any course locally once it is signed off by another GI member and no requirement for insurance is needed.

    So, why would anyone join a distance club nowadays, when you can pay €66 as an I-golfer ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,285 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    Home club members is just where your handicap is managed

    so for those 900 distance members, unless they are using Slieve as a secondary club, it will be their home club and thus, the club will qualify as having more than 50 members



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,737 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Ya that's what I was trying to work out, is the benefit of a distance membership that you don't have to pay the full green fee in competitions?

    How does it work now if you have a GI card from a distance membership you get to play competitions cheaper than GI members?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭bobster453


    As has been said distance membership is a club matter, GI makes no distinction between them, all they want is their money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭bobster453


    Yea, might be more difficult to meet requirements for voting rights and committees tho as distance there dont have votes like in most clubs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,952 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Generally speaking, members of clubs, whether they are distance or not, can avail of playing in Open Competitions in other clubs, which are usually at a discounted rate.

    iGolf membership has only come into existence in the last couple of months. A lot of clubs generally are pretty anti-iGolf. Some have said, I believe, that they won't let them enter their opens at all. Others have said that they'll let them enter the opens, but won't let them avail of the discounted green fees that are available to members of actual golf clubs. And some will be happy to just charge the same rate they are charging other club members.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭bakerbhoy


    Crude.. But I have heard Igolfers referred to as akin to social welfare spongers...

    Still a lot of olde school in golf.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭bakerbhoy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭jay5296


    Paid €60 as an igolfer for an open competition today. Won't be playing again. It's my 2nd round in 6 months. Young kids, can't justify full membership. €25 for visitors. Thought GI was bringing this in to encourage you to play the game?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,952 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    GI don't set the prices at the clubs though.

    Whether GI like it or not, there are a large number of clubs that are extremely anti-iGolf because they think it undermines their ability to bring in new members.

    So GIs intention is almost an irrelevance as far as many clubs are concerned.

    There will be some clubs that will offer the same rate, so maybe worth calling ahead before making bookings?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭coillcam


    Might as well name the club in question. There's plenty of igolfers out there who'll want to know the costs for opens and green fees.

    I'd suspect that €60 is the standard walk on green fee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,551 ✭✭✭VW 1


    If it's the walk on green fee, it's fair enough to charge an iGolf member that imo. As others have pointed out, its a clubs prerogative to do that but the iGolfers will need to decide if it's better value to keep a distance membership and play courses as a GI member. Even if you play 5 times a year it's a cheap enough way to play competitive golf a few times a year and maintain a handicap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,539 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    The OP said that he was charged €60 but visitors were charged €25? So the club he played are looking to charge him €25 green fee and €35 entry into the open competition? Seems unreasonable to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭bobster453


    Unreasonable imo is Golf Ireland putting clubs in a position where they feel they have to do this to protect themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 213 ✭✭Toranaga


    Myself and 2 other friends are iGolf members and would never have joined a club this year. Last week we trawled through about 20 clubs looking for a Saturday slot and have been out in about 5 different clubs this year, returning to a few.

    Couldn't find any spots last week until a cancellation on Saturday morning. At this rate it looks like being a great success for clubs if all of their slots are getting booked up in April.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,285 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    you’ll find Saturdays are quite busy in most clubs with a lot being closed for everyone bar members



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,551 ✭✭✭VW 1


    The club are probably charging a comp entry fee the same as other entrants and an increased green fee in line with what any other non GI member rate is with the difference being the iGolf member can take part in the comp. It seems reasonable enough to me given the club can choose this approach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,539 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    If you have set the green fee rate at €25 for the day (OP said that's what a normal green fee was) and you charge an iGolfer €60 then your competition fee is €35 which is extortionate.

    If I was the OP I would have said that I'll just pay the green fee and won't enter the competition. Then the club lose out on €35 extra and wouldn't see me again.

    Charging €40 would seem fairer to me and would probably have me returning again.

    By the way I'm not an iGolfer so this has no bearing on me in real life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭bakerbhoy


    Op may be conflating open rate with green fee..

    Open rate is to Gi members...

    Open rate not applied to IG golfers.

    Green fee is normal rate which clubs have applied to IG golfers and which would apply to Gi members outside of Open comps.

    They may add a comp rate or not to IG..



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