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Dating/befriending someone into conspiracies

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    It doesn't have to be good enough,your not some important figure I need to convince , you're just a random poster on an internet forum.The whole bat thing is almost certainly nonsense, that was teh official line and that theory has been shown to have loads of holes in it.

    You really have a bizarre degree of arrogance when responding to posts as if responding to you involves the same degree of seriousness as responding to a tribunal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,445 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Yes it has or else you are really outing yourself as a typical anti vax CTer.

    I can see already on this thread you misreprsenting the articles you linked.

    So spare us any drivel about manipulation when your own posts are examples of it

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,619 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Of course not but it's a bit silly to say that the "official narrative" that the conspiracists like to attack so much has been debunked but all you can provide is a link to a piece you probably didn't read.

    There's always a strong hint of projection off conspiracy posts. I'm an idiot if I don't immediately dismiss anything the government says but I can never ever criticise Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan and similar grifters as they are always honest and correct. That's always what it comes down to.

    You can believe whatever you want but the fact that you can't elaborate at all, have cited no specific facts and just dissemble when asked anything is not convincing to most people.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭mulbot




  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,223 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    There is not a small degree of narcissistic behaviour in those who full on believe conspiracy theories. It's the idea that "they know something you don't" which gives them the dopamine hit when arguing their rubbish. Coupled that with a slightly less than average intelligence and you get these rabid CTers who are happy to be grifted by the links of Jones and his ilk. It gives their usually very mundane lives a air of uniqueness or speciality.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    So it definitely did come from a bat and not a lab studying coronaviruses in the city the the virus originated from ? also the fact they came up with such an explanation as soon as the virus got out and people who questioned it were shouted down suggest the whole bat story isn't 100% legit.

    Amazing I'm an anti-vaxxer despite getting vaccinated 3 times for COVID.

    Also I provided examples of non-covid related conspiracy theories which turned out to be true.

    Fact is it seems people like yourself seem to decide what is and what isn't a legit conspiracy theory based on where it originates politically, if supposed right wingers say something isn't right with the official line all the lefties decide no the official line must be correct and how dare you question it..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,445 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Nope. You did that yourself when you started defending CTers spreading dangerous plandemic and antivax lies over those acting in good faith who were doing their best trying to keep us safe in the pandemic based on the available science.

    So your own actions in getting vaccinated. contradict what you posted on the thread that the people recommending you get vaccinated were "more dangerous" than the CT wingnuts.
    This is what you wrote:
    "I would say that people who fall for the government official line hook line and sinker all the time are far more dangerous than conspiracy theorists are."

    You were asked how… you offered no response. So grand claims backed up by misrepresenting articles, without merit or foundation.

    The people who were shouted down were the CT wingnuts pushing the it came from a lab, not as an accident but as part of some nefarious plot. The same CT wingnuts going around telling people not to get vaccinated.

    You claimed the theory it came from a bat as "the official line has been proven to be a load of nonsense". The articles you linked said no such thing, so that's deliberate misrepresentation.

    So over the space of several posts, you've been caught out misrepresenting linked articles and contradicting yourself. Your claims have no credibility.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,619 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    If you employ anti-vaxxer tropes and tactics, expect to be percieved as an anti-vaxxer. It's fairly logical.

    You haven't given an example of a single conspiracy theory which turned out to be true. Not a single one. It's this sort of easily debunkable claim that has people asking questions which you inevitably cannot answer leading to you immediately playing the victim card because that's how this always go.

    It is correct to say that some conspiracy theories have turned out to be true. The thing that you've left out is that you need evidence to show that they're true. When someone asks for evidence, you never have any. We are of course just all people on the internet putting text onto a message board but the fact that you respond in the manner above while constantly saying things that are patently incorrect means your claims should be taken with a large portion of salt.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,343 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    This thread has devolved into the purest possible example of why you shouldn't date or befriend people who are into conspiracies...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭nachouser


    There's a market out there for a dating app for like minded individuals: "Plenty of guff."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,138 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    I would bet my left nut that if the Chinese government released a statement saying they discovered Covid leaked from a lab that you would have a large number of people just asking questions about what the Chinese aren’t telling us about bats.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 96,468 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    The towers weighed 1,000 times more than the aircraft so they weren't ever going to get knocked sideways even if it was an inelastic collision, which it wasn't etc. etc.

    But there was no doubt that the government was ready to use the "next big thing" to ratchet up their power, but everyone does that.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 96,468 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    There's people who propagate stuff like the anti-vax. "useful idiots"

    There's a tiny hard core who generate it. Probably less than the number who die from preventable disease every year.

    The ethics are very clear, it's premeditated which means makes it murder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,657 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Ian shocked by how many people I know share these anti vax and other health conspiracies on facebook.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,657 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Not “ knocked “ per se . But an uncontrolled collapse that would affect other buildings . I know that they demolished a few buildings immediately afterwards for safety reasons . It’s amazing how quickly they could wire those buildings up for a safe demolition



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,138 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    I think we are spoiled in the current era, vaccines and modern medicine came around because of horrible public health conditions in the past that we don't experience because of things like vaccines. Yesterday I listened to the podcast below, it looks at RFK's (clown emperor for the anti vaccine movement) attitude to the rotavirus. It's frightening that this man is taken seriously.

    I'm at the point where I think if people in this day and age are going to throw out advancements in modern medicine and turn to junk they read on facebook and then get sick, then tough sh!t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,428 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    It's already happening.

    Vaccination rates are dropping in the west.

    Kids are dying from measles because their parents didn't get them vaccinated.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I lived in the Balkans, very anti vaccine there, don't understand why, but 15 children died from a measles outbreak at one stage. Imagine that, I just couldn't understand it.

    A friend of mine didn't want her daughter to get the HPV vaccine thing a couple of years ago, because she said it might cause narcolepsy, 🙄 imagine wanting to shield your child from that, by making sure she doesn't get vaccinated for cervical cancer



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 96,468 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    You can be bloody sure that most of the people spreading the lies have been vaccinated and that all of the people who start the lies were vaccinated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭aero2k


    I was seeing a hot girl but I had to dump her after she got obsessed with some plot to cut the power to Spain and Portugal.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,708 ✭✭✭Tork


    I work with someone who has gone on quite a journey. My experience of that is enough to put me off letting someone like that into my life. We've all become adept at dancing around topics that have the potential to kick things off. It's almost funny to watch what happens when a newbie mentions in passing how awful Donald Trump is, then learns to their cost that they've just stumbled across the office MAGA-head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,534 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Life's too short to be listening to conspiracy theorists let alone have one in your life.

    They'll call everyone else sheep whilst selectively cherry picking from the rantings of Rogan/Jones etc. Social media's given them a platform wherein they won't be scrutinised on whatever echo chambers they follow. It allows them to portray a false intellectualism that they could never achieve in any other subject/topic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    It's gas the Rogan's name is always brought up in these discussions. I never really understood that one.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,223 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    ??

    you do know the onion is a satirical site, similar to waterford whispers ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,445 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Its taking the piss out of his schtick of letting his guests spout all kinds of fake news and conspiracy theories without real scrutiny.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,223 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat




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