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Pope Francis has died (updated 21st April 2025)

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  • #512
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,072 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The fact that women cannot become priests in 2025 is just plain weird. It just boggles the mind.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • #513
    magicbastarder
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    Not weird at all. The Catholic church simply cannot backtrack on it, it's too ingrained.

    It's one of the main issues a long standing church which claims to speak for God suffers from - they cannot admit to being wrong in past because that'd in essence be admitting that God was wrong. Or that they don't actually speak for God.



  • #514
    Iscreamkone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393342#Comment_123393342

    Still weird though



  • #515
    kneemos
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393335#Comment_123393335

    The whole celibacy thing is a money saving measure. They used to until somebody came up with a cost saving idea.



  • #516
    Cluedo Monopoly
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393342#Comment_123393342

    No no, it's very very weird. Creepy really.

    People will look back at it in years to come and be unable to comprehend it.

    They'll will let women give out the communion but they can't have the "power" to make it into something it's not. Weird.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • #517
    magicbastarder
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    I know what you mean, but there will have to be some utterly epic retconning of Catholic doctrine to allow women to be priests.

    As I mentioned above, if they allow it it'll raise the question about what other basic stuff they got wrong.



  • #518
    Montage of Feck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,199 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    So who's getting hyped for the white smoke show?

    🙈🙉🙊



  • #519
    pureza
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393378#Comment_123393378

    To be honest that’s disrespectful

    If it’s how anyone feels about Catholicism,why would they be bothered as to whether they have women priests or not or married priests

    On the latter,they already have the,converts from Anglicanism whom they’ve accepted as priests,so there’s strong double standards there

    The non approval of women priests is misogyny imho but it’s also something ancient like in Islam where the women pray in a different room

    It’s not too different to the rule in Ireland that if as a woman working for the government here you had to resign if you got married as your place is in the home

    Some of these religions do not agree with going with the times

    The fact that their own teachings mean God gave us these times seems lost on them



  • #520
    Mrs OBumble
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393133#Comment_123393133

    Any readers who are wonder which of us is correct should go and look at the websites of the respective organisations themselves.

    On this page, read the information under "is a humanist wedding right for me":

    https://www.humanism.ie/ceremonies/weddings/

    Also remember that though humanists are by definition secular, not all people who are secularism are humanist. Many are interested in no one but themselves.

    The Spiritualist Union of Ireland don't make their Rites documents publicly available: you will need to ask them for specifics. But they are clear that they have a belief system.



  • #521
    Cluedo Monopoly
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393411#Comment_123393411

    I am sorry but that's just an excuse. Where there is a will, there is a way. It's an organisation that has changed the rules and beliefs to suit them as they went. They can make up some excuse to change the "doctrine". Nobody sane would care. It's 2025 and women are still not allowed to become priests. When I grew up they certainly weren't allowed give out communion but they somehow got over that obstacle. Sometimes you need to stand back to see how weird it is that they can't be priests. It just struck me when I saw all the old men essentially wearing red dresses yesterday. These 70+ year old men are deciding 2025 rules which involves excluding 50% of the population because they are tainted somehow. Creepy stuff.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • #522
    magicbastarder
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    It's not being offered as an excuse. It's being offered as a reason. I'm not trying to excuse them in any way; I think it's kinda funny. One of the dangers you face when you claim infallibility, or to be the voice of God.

    It paints you into a corner when you get it wrong.



  • #523
    Cluedo Monopoly
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393418#Comment_123393418

    The civil service rule was removed in 1973 because it was ridiculous and weird. And disrespectful. It's 2025 now and there is no sign of women becoming priests anytime soon.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • #524
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,927 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    They'll never have women priests it would require separate living arrangements that they don't have money for.

    Might see lay priests at some stage when all the ordained lads die off.



  • #525
    Cluedo Monopoly
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393538#Comment_123393538

    Very few believe the infallibility or voice of god stuff either so they can get over that conundrum. Legend has it that the holy spirit decides the pope but that's plainly not believed either. The RCC equivalent of a corporate male only shark tank will decide the next pope. It's just business at the end of the day. It was often a political decision in past centuries with France and Italy pushing their choices and sometimes having 2 popes.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • #526
    itsacoolday
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123391955#Comment_123391955

    Complete with other hangers on, all at taxpayers expense, not their own.



  • #527
    Rawr
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393411#Comment_123393411

    They could try some form of presto-chango rebrand of their doctrine like they sort of did with Vatican 2. Just call it «Vatican 3» and spin it as a reinterpretation of biblical teachings, so some such waffle. However, I’ve a feeling that a lack of desire to change that rule is more of an issue, rather than the possibility of change itself.



  • #528
    Allinall
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393635#Comment_123393635

    And rightly so.



  • #529
    pureza
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393546#Comment_123393546

    That’s the difference between democratic institutions and venerable ones

    The latter aren’t subject to Societal norms

    Why do Muslims seperate men and women at prayer time ?

    Because it was written some where 1000’s of years ago

    But I suppose people do have a choice to be in any church and the Catholic church is growing not shrinking at the moment

    You can worship God independently

    Christianity is not a religion,it’s a belief

    Religions are clubs that formed to practice Christianity,there’s 100’s of these clubs at this stage,the Roman see being the biggest



  • #530
    Economics101
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    Really enjoying the the continuing high level of intellectual discussion on this thread. 🤡



  • #531
    itsacoolday
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393587#Comment_123393587

    Don't have money for? I do not believe that poor mouth stuff, not even when the RCC failed to pay agreed compensation with their abuse victims in this country. The Catholic church is very wealthy / have a fortune in assets worldwide.



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  • #532
    kneemos
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123394236#Comment_123394236

    They have,but the day to day running costs come from church collections and they have dwindling numbers. They've already merged a lot of their presbyteries and sold off the spares.



  • #533
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393426#Comment_123393426

    The humanists don't say that they won't marry you if you believe in a god. Your claim that they discriminate is rubbish

    Yes the spiritualists have a belief system, nobody said they didn't. But they don't force it upon the couples they marry.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • #534
    Oscar_Madison
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    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393416#Comment_123393416

    Would love to see the vote counts as they happen just to see where their thinking is at and just who’s in the mix and indeed who isn’t



  • #535
    Former Former Former
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393546#Comment_123393546

    The civil service rule was removed in 1973 because it was ridiculous and weird.

    Not really, it was removed as a pre condition of joining the EEC.



  • #536
    MrMusician18
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393070#Comment_123393070

    It's a blocking majority. Where schools have failed to be divested it's because a majority of parents of children in those schools voted against it.

    The responsibility for that failure lies solely with those proposing change not convincing enough parents to back them.



  • #537
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,978 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123394780#Comment_123394780

    It'd be like the Eurovision back in the day. You could watch it on BBC if you had it and listen to Wogan take the piss out of all the cardinals.



  • #538
    Oscar_Madison
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    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123395098#Comment_123395098

    Watching certain cardinals give reciprocal votes and no one voting for names they can’t pronounce 😀



  • #539
    silliussoddius
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393416#Comment_123393416

    More of a green smoke man myself.

    Untitled Image


  • #540
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123392055#Comment_123392055

    Forcing change on a majority that don't want it?

    No, they'd still have kept a majority of the schools as RCC controlled - just not 100%.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • #541
    Raichų
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123399564#Comment_123399564

    these kinds of conversations always remind me of Superintendent Chalmers (simpons)


    what was it he said?

    A prayer? A prayer in public school!? God has no place within these walls- just like facts have no place within organised religion!”



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