Pope Francis has died (updated 21st April 2025)

Iscreamkone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123391264#Comment_123391264

They are a state official when it comes to legalising marriages.

Raichų

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123391270#Comment_123391270

Look, I get it man you hate the church and priest- maybe one touched you when you were small I don’t know but you’re beginning to become very tiresome and annoying.

What you want to happen ain’t going to and shouldn’t happen. I don’t like things myself it doesn’t mean I expect the world to bend around me. It’s called being an adult.

Give it a go.

Mod Edit: Warned for uncivil posting

McDermotX

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123391220#Comment_123391220

No, not necessarily. Firstly, a celebrant wouldn't be able to marry any sort of couple. They would need to be registered on the Register of Solemnisers. They can stand up there and do a Star Wars-themed cross-dressing lesbian ceremony (for example) all they want, but it wouldn't be a legally binding marriage unless a registered solemniser is satisifed with the couple's understanding of the ceremony or the declarations.

If a solemniser isn't satisifed, they can refuse. Maybe another one will say no bother. If a solemniser says 'I'm not marrying them because they're two ladies', then there could be repercusions, but I have no idea if the HSE employ a dedicated solemniser anyway, so perhaps removal from the register would be the likely outcome if it was proven that was the reason. If the refusal was down them not being satisifed with the couple's understanding of the ceremony or legality, then they are well within their right.

There seems to be a wilful misunderstanding about what a religious marriage ceremony involves and what a marriage process is here. A shame really, as I've always found church weddings to be far more of a poignant occasion than stuck in a hotel or whatever. Not to say, I've not enjoyed the subsequent bash of both, but it is what it is.

Certainly far-removed from the current events the thread is involved with - personally enjoyed some of what I saw with the trip around Rome as it reminded me of a childhood trip what with the sights such as the Colosseum, St. Peter's (catacombs were amazing as a child) etc - perhaps the marriage stuff belongs in its own thread.

Iscreamkone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123391298#Comment_123391298

I’m only starting to get tiresome and annoying, sunshine.

There needs to be complete separation of church and state. With all your priests dropping off this is happening organically. Also, no harm to give it a big push along the way.

There are plenty of people in this country like you, Raich, who do not care about discrimination until it knocks on your own door, that is.

Raichų

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123391362#Comment_123391362

ok buddy you go fight the crusade against a church you don’t give a shite about if you want.

I’ll just stay here not really caring what they do because I take no part in it.

I am sure the gay community in Ireland is falling over themselves because churches won’t marry them.

Iscreamkone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123391376#Comment_123391376

You are missing the whole point, Einstein. My gripe is not with the church- even though if it was on fire I wouldn’t piss on it to put it out.

My gripe is with the state for allowing solemnisers to discriminate in a legal process.

The church can dress up and play magic anytime it likes. The state should say “play nicely over there and we’ll look after all the adult stuff over here.”

Nobody wants to stop your magic biscuit show. Each to their own. But the state should run the legals without discrimination.

BorneTobyWilde

Where did Putin sit

TheValeyard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123391443#Comment_123391443

Next to Satan. But Satan moved away.He's got standards to maintain.

Raichų

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123391440#Comment_123391440

Are you gay yourself or are you just getting offended on their behalf?

I know a few myself and none give a shite that a church won’t marry them- in fact none of them believe in God anyway; so maybe I’ve asked the wrong people.

I’ll go find some catholic gay people to ask. I don’t care about anyone’s opinion on the topic but theirs because it affects them.

Iscreamkone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123391515#Comment_123391515

I imagine you know divorced people also.

Raichų

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123391631#Comment_123391631

Ah look mate you subscribe to a religion that’s against divorce or homosexuality don’t come crying they’re not welcoming you in to get married.

This whole discussion with you is a waste of time. I don’t care what silly made up rules the church has. They also won’t let priests get married for some reason. You can’t be holy enough unless you’re alone forever?

But then it depends on what way you believe in God- cos some priests DO get married and it’s no issue. Mind you- some catholics also get married despite being gay; it’s wild.

Point is you’ve demonstrated fcuk all reasons why priests shouldn’t be allowed solemise weddings. You know you too could be a solimiser and you could refuse to marry anyone catholic! Give em a taste of their own medicine.

Iscreamkone

I imagine you know Catholics who want to marry someone of another faith or none.

Iscreamkone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123391653#Comment_123391653

So the church should continue with their discrimination (their own club etc)

…and the state should continue to say “it worked in the 1950s, why change it now?”

The state should fear legal action against itself for facilitating discrimination by its agents (the priest/solemnisers).

Will_I_Amnt

In breaking news, a miracle was seen to occur in Vatican City today when Donald Sutherland rose from the dead and appeared at the papal funeral as President of Brazil

kneemos

The Taoiseach,Tanaiste and President attended the funeral apparently.

Bit overkill.

Iscreamkone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123391955#Comment_123391955

Old people vote

kneemos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123391973#Comment_123391973

Aye.

MrMusician18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123391079#Comment_123391079

Forcing change on a majority that don't want it?

And the blame for lack of divestment absolutely belongs with those that proposed change. They go out with a basic standard vision of an educate together school (if that at all), absolutely not selling change as a positive, at least convincingly. In fact there seems to be an expectation that someone else should drive that and many that seemingly want it are totally passive in the process. In essence they just want the schools handed to them.

The advocates proposals generally go no deeper than "this should change because we think it should". No true vision for why this is a positive or why the current children in the school should suffer a management upheaval to facilitate it.

Parents would choose this if they were convinced that the change would be positive for their children, but advocates have not sold it. That's why divestment is not happening more quickly. Blaming everyone else just shows a lack of self reflection.

Raichų

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123391736#Comment_123391736

yes they should be allowed because that’s how life works. Everything isn’t about inclusivity.

i can’t join a biker club because I don’t have a motorcycle.

I can’t join a mommy group because I’m a man.

There’s numerous things I’m precluded from for one reason or another. If churches as their own thing want to set their own rules then good for them. I have the autonomy to decide if I support them in that or not.

Also a stupid question to ask “what if you married someone of another faith?????”. I don’t believe in God but if my Mrs wanted to get married in a church no one would have stopped us.

This is getting beyond stupid now. You just seem to want full control of things that don’t matter to you but that’s just not how life works.

The church is against the gays, divorced people and fcuk me knows what else; I am against none of those things but I still don’t think I have any business telling them they should be included.

It would be fantastic if they woke up a bit to the real world and gave up these silly rules but they haven’t, they probably won’t and I’m not going to waste my energy giving a damn if they do.

I expect the majority of the people you are complaining on behalf of feel very similar if they care at all.

Of course I expect the typical response from you complaining that as “officials of the state”- save it.

Iscreamkone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123392058#Comment_123392058

If your Mrs wanted to get married in a church and you were divorced or a non catholic (not baptised) then the priest wouldn’t allow you to marry in a church. I actually don’t care about their internal rules though.

Raichų

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123392230#Comment_123392230

oh well then wed have just gotten married as we did anyway. Life goes on.

I suppose unlike you I’m not getting offended on behalf of other people. But also of course you care you’ve been only delighted at the churches downfall and in fact enraged at the time it’s taking.

Your major contribution to the thread has been calling for priests to be immediately stripped of their ability to marry and I believe also for any church wedding made void.

DayInTheBog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123390968#Comment_123390968

I had my own wedding ina hotel. I've been to weddings in barns. All legal and conducted with the appropriate legal words

My issue is the idea the idea that someone can pronounce a couple husband and wife. It's not the words of an officiant but the words behind which is the committment of the couple.

As we all know the words of the officiant soon have no power and his pronouncements of no effect if there is no commitment by the couple to maintain the marriage and seek a divorce.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123391298#Comment_123391298

I know you got warned for this, but that post is pretty disgusting in the way that it belittles child sexual abuse.

There was no need for that.

We all need to accept that the RCC in Ireland (and around the world) did despicable things. Denial is just abusing the victims over again.

Raichų

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123390968#Comment_123390968

yeah well everyone didn’t ask you did they? Besides you do have to go to the civil registration office in order to give notice to marry and ensure there’s no reason why you can’t.

The register signs your marriage licence with you. When your marriage is solimised during the ceremony then the couple, solimiser & two witnesses over 18 sign the marriage license.

so even when married in a church you do have to visit the office and sign the paperwork with a registrar.

Raichų

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123393058#Comment_123393058

oh damn you’ve cast shame on me?

I will whiter away now. I cannot go on if you do not approve of what I say. :’(

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123392055#Comment_123392055

Read my post again

A blocking minority in each school in an area should not be allowed to obstruct all change in that area

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123392058#Comment_123392058

You'd be allowed to join a motorcycle club if you are not anti-motorcyle and simply aspired to ride one or own one or be a pillion 👍️ you'd actually find we're amongst the most inclusive people going. Being part of an oppressed or even detested minority opens one's eyes

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123391653#Comment_123391653

Yet again completely failing to see the point

Religions often do all sorts of weird stuff. That's entirely up to them. When it becomes an issue is when they're allowed to run schools paid for by taxpayers, or conduct ceremonies like marriages on behalf of the state.

Irish Aris

Mod note:

Good evening everyone.

Could I ask you all to calm down and keep it civil. I appreciate that religion and the church are a hot topic, but no point in any of you getting bans over it.

Thank you.

Mrs OBumble

Humanist and spiritualist solemnizer also discriminate.

Spiritualist ceremonies must include certain religious-but-not-denominational elements, in line with the Rites of the Spiritualist Union of Ireland.

Humanist ceremonies must be secular and non-religious occasions, and are for people who share the philosophical belief system as humanists. They cannot include ANY religious element.

Both groups can and do discriminate against people who want ceremony elements that don't fit their rules.

Personally, I think the state should just get out of people's bedrooms. Let people have whatever religious or community ceremonies they want. But there's no need for the state to be involved or to give tax discounts based on bedroom status.

Hotblack Desiato

That's rubbish. Humanist celebrants do not discriminate. Any couple who can legally marry can be married in a humanist ceremony. Secularism is not a belief system.

Spiritualist celebrants are regarded by the state as religious (and, as such, get a significantly easier ride) but couples are not obliged by them to have any religious element to their ceremony at all. It's a handy way around the HSE's 9-5 restrictions, and the shortage of humanist celebrants.

If you knew anything about this topic you'd know that HSE ceremonies cannot include any religious or pseudo-religious element. We had the Ramones, that was OK.

Not for the first time, you are claiming knowledge about a topic where you have no knowledge