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Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,736 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Happy to, once you reply to my post disproving your claim that "nobody" agrees with Riley Gaines that Lia Thomas was a problem for women in the team. And that perverts like Darren Merager were using the law to expose themselves in female spaces.

    Because that's a crime - for anyone except a trans woman. The woman who complained was told it was her own problem and the staff couldn't do anything about it.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I already provided the thread with sources. With a very well researched article on the issue.

    The vast majority of the established feminist organisations strongly support trans inclusion, this is backed by polls in the USA and UK.

    The problem is these new conservative women's organisations pretending to be feminists shout the loudest, so they appear to the majority opinion.

    They just are not.

    Going back decades the feminist movements support trans rights and continue to do.

    This is irrefutable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    No I won’t, because your response will be about Riley Gaines and distracting from the point I’ve made.

    I made my point first, before the Riley Gaines conversation came up. You never addressed it. You moved it back to those terrible trans women.

    You have shown to be arguing in bad faith so address the point I’ve made then we can talk about what Riley Gaines said.

    Otherwise, enjoy the men claiming to be biologically female invading your spaces. That’s clearly what you want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    These conservative womens groups have never once campaigned on domestic violence, gender-based violence or anything that is a more prevalent danger to women. Just this one.

    They also achieved the possibility of men entering their spaces claiming to be biological women, and not a peep out of them.

    A truly sensational achievement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The one often citied on here wants to bring women back to the good Old Victorian days.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭purifol0


    People wonder when this will end.

    The answer is simple: whenever the money dries up.

    Just look at the changed since the USAID cuts (lamented by the utterly craven Social Democrats).

    Defunding NGO's pushing it is one half of the battle, the other is getting ride of central banks that pushed ESG and DEI via their accomplices like Larry Fink of Blackrock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Fine, let's defund the NGOs who campaigned for the UK Supreme Court to open the door to allow men to invade women's spaces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,736 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    You literally said that nobody except Riley Gaines objected. I showed you that was wrong. So your argument is based on misinformation.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Posts: 697 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Transmen are female - it's not an issue if they access women's spaces. 🤷‍♀️



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,736 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Again, this is just misinformation. Julie Bindel was an activist for ALL men to be kept out of women's prisons, including male prison guards, more than 20 years ago, before male prisoners were ever being put in female prisons.

    When your argument requires you to repeatedly misrepresent the opposite side's position, the problem is with your argument.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It is.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyw9qjeq8po

    The guidance also states that "in some circumstances the law also allows trans women (biological men) not to be permitted to use the men's facilities, and trans men (biological women) not to be permitted to use the women's facilities".

    Personally I can't see how that is even remotely legal.

    But here we are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Correct.

    Now what is stopping a biological man entering a women’s spaces and then claiming to be a trans man?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    What was stopping biological men from waltzing into these spaces claiming they are a biological woman before the UK Supreme Court ruling?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,544 ✭✭✭plodder


    Did you miss the part where trans men, who are clearly male looking can be excluded from women's facilities and alternative arrangements might be needed for them?

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Can be?

    I'm not so sure that would hold up to scrutiny if tested in court.

    If men and women have to be segregated by biological sex then I can't see how that is reversible in any situation, especially under equality law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    It is not misinformation.

    The UK Supreme Court ruling clearly states that single-sex spaces are to be reserved for people who were assigned that biological sex at birth.

    You cannot say trans women have to use men’s spaces, and then on the other hand say trans men cannot use women’s spaces. That is the literal definition of gender discrimination and that is a breach of the law.

    You can cry about misinformation all you want. I read the Supreme Court judgement in full. This is now the law of the land. You haven’t a clue what you are talking about and all the cries of ‘misinformation’ do not change that.

    So as I said, enjoy all the men invading your spaces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Exactly. Nothing.

    That is the whole point of this. Trans women were never the issue. The issue is about men, and predatory men.

    However, some dark-ages women wanted to ostracise a small cohort of people because they might all be rapists.

    Now they’ve opened the door to the very men they are afraid of just claiming to be biological women. Those predatory men they were talking about don’t even need to wear the wig and dress anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,544 ✭✭✭plodder


    It was literally in the judgement last week. See the link to the BBC article about the EHRC guidance after it.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyw9qjeq8po

    The guidance also states that "in some circumstances the law also allows trans women (biological men) not to be permitted to use the men's facilities, and trans men (biological women) not to be permitted to use the women's facilities".

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Still don’t get your point. Is it not the case that both before and after the ruling, a biological man could have entered any space designated for women and claimed they were biologically a woman?

    That hasn’t changed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Because people were blaming trans women, when the problem and the people at the centre of this issue has always been men.

    Trans women were ostracised, ridiculed, misgendered, dead-named by a lobby of transphobes because some men are predators.

    Now, those predators can claim to be biological women instead of trans women.

    The issue was never about trans women. It was about men and it is always about men. However, men aren't the ones who were targetted as a result of this campaign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    But where are you getting the idea that there will now be an invasion of biological men into women’s spaces?

    Hypothetically- a biological man claims he is a biological woman in order to gain access to women’s spaces. This could have been the case before the ruling, so nothing has changed in that respect.

    What would have happened in the above case before the ruling and how is it any different after?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Because the narrative before this was men could pretend to be trans to enter women’s spaces.

    Are you getting my point yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    the way that interim guidance is laid out it is so clear what a victory for women only spaces that judgement was.

    At the same time it also makes clear that trans rights are human rights, they just arent womens rights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    No. You seem to be cheering on an invasion of predators into women’s spaces, hoping they ‘enjoy’ that.

    You have not explained why there will be an invasion of biological men into women’s spaces as a result of the ruling.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,736 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    So when a convicted sex offender like Darren Merager was allowed in a women's section of a spa, where both he and women and girls were naked, and when the woman who complained was told that nothing could be done because that was the law - you're saying that this didn't happen?? And that it might happen now because of what the law says??

    Because that's just counterfactual.

    Again.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,736 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    And do you think it wasn't true before, but now it is??

    It's very hard to work out what exactly you think has changed in that case.

    It did happen before, and I can't see why you think it is more likely to happen now. Because now the difference is that if it does happen, women can complain to the management or to security without being told that the law allows males to access women's spaces.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,776 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    You're talking nonsense mate, what you're doing is the equivalent of comparing Dogs vs Labradors. "It's dogs that are the problem not Labradors". See, utter nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,959 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I know, I linked to it.

    How that can actually be compatible with equality law or even human rights is a mystery.

    Nora or Tom over there says you look a bit masculine or feminine you can't use any toilet.

    Or Trans or non binary biological women who always used women's toilets no longer can use any toilet or vice versa.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,736 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Nora or Tom over there says you look a bit masculine or feminine you can't use any toilet.

    Because that's not what will happen, that's why. I thought you'd read the whole judgment?

    Or Trans or non binary biological women who always used women's toilets no longer can use any toilet or vice versa.

    Nor this.

    It's true that trans women, ie biological males, cannot use the women's toilets any more (though in practice for those few who genuinely "pass" (and who don't call attention to themselves with predatory male behaviour) there will be no real change, as nobody is going to be outside toilets with a cheek swab kit).

    Nonbinary biological women (ie women) will still be legally entitled to use female toilets if they wish to. If anyone challenges them on their femaleness, all they need to do is tell them, in a normal woman's voice, that the person has got it wrong and that they are indeed female. Given how reluctant many women have been to challenge obvious males in women's toilets, the idea that women are suddenly going to get all bolshy about short-haired women in them is really scraping the barrel.

    We shall see. I await the first court case with very non-bated breath.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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