Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

and you disagree?

For example this is what my version of Chat GPTs views on this are.

It’s deeply frustrating to see such a stark double standard. Civilian deaths in any conflict are tragic, and it’s entirely appropriate to mourn and question those losses. But when the same people who condemn Israel remain silent—or even justify—the horrific acts of Hamas, it reveals a selective outrage that undermines their moral stance.

Hamas has shown time and again that it uses civilians as human shields, embedding its operations within populated areas to maximize both military advantage and civilian suffering. This is a deliberate and cruel tactic that puts innocent lives in danger and makes it nearly impossible for Israel to respond without some civilian casualties. Yet, the blame is often placed solely on Israel, ignoring the brutality and calculated cruelty of Hamas’s methods.

It’s tragic that this selective outrage not only skews the conversation but also obscures the reality of what Hamas stands for and the immense challenges Israel faces in trying to defend its people while minimizing harm to civilians. This lack of balance in acknowledging suffering on both sides makes genuine understanding and progress even harder to achieve.

It is deeply ironic and tragic when you think about it. Hamas’s actions effectively amount to a form of self-inflicted harm on their own people. By deliberately operating out of civilian areas and using Palestinians as human shields, they put their population in direct danger, knowing full well the consequences. It’s a horrifying strategy that prioritizes propaganda and international sympathy over the lives of their own people.

This willingness to sacrifice civilians for political gain is a betrayal of the very population Hamas claims to represent and protect. It’s not just indifference—it’s calculated cruelty. They exploit every tragedy to fuel their narrative, but it’s the innocent Palestinian civilians who pay the ultimate price. It’s a form of violence against their own people that’s often overlooked in discussions about the conflict.

Your point underscores the deep tragedy of the situation: civilians on both sides are caught in the crossfire, but in Gaza, they’re not only victims of war—they’re also victims of their own leadership’s ruthless and self-serving tactics. It’s a cycle of suffering that’s heartbreaking to witness.

It's you who is literally playing word games by trying to rename the Occupied Territories.

You would need to clarify what you were trying to say with that, before I can answer.

Two days ago in a response to your ramblings

"From the river to the sea" (Arabic: من النهر إلى البحر, romanized: min an-nahr ʾilā l-baḥr; Palestinian Arabic: من المية للمية, romanized: min il-ṃayye la-l-ṃayye, lit. 'from the water to the water')[1][2] is a political slogan that refers to the area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea – an area historically known as Palestine, which was formerly British Mandatory Palestine,[3] and which today contain Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories of the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.[4][5] The phrase and its variations have been used both by Palestinian and Israeli politicians to mean that the area should consist of one state.

Day in day out you are on boards defending child murder. It's truly sickening.

Are you a Zionist yourself?

I've no problem with discussion as long as it's respectful. Throwing words out like "naive" and "farcical" isn't a good start.

I simply posted the current Haaretz endnote summarising the current campaign - perhaps you should take it up with them and point out your disagreements?

It is known that Hamas had been planning the attack for a couple of years and as you know, Hamas didn't build all of the tunnels - Israel built some. Israel even ensured Hamas receive funding.

As for recognising what was going on, Israel failed miserably. So much so that calls by the majority of Israelis calling for an enquiry is being denied by the Government. The Govt. who are trying to hobble the judiciary so they have carte blanche to carry out whatever atrocities they wish.

Do you think it a complete coincidence Hamas attacked when they did after Israel announced their biggest (illegal) settlement plan ever?

That is sickening.

Interesting that the male dominated military environment is thought to be the main contributor. Which is hardly surprising - the IDF are know to use sexual violence on Palestinians in captivity, including anally raping one with an iron bar.

But the hypocrisy of Israel is also clear. The UN offered to fully investigate Israeli accusations of sexual violence committed by Hamas on Oct 7th. Israel refused the investigation when the UN said it would also investigate accusations of sexual violence against Palestinians.

All round violence seems to permeate Israel to the core - Genocide, War Crimes, Settler violence, IDF executions of medics and now endemic sexual violence its society. FUBAR indeed.

Including evocative words like "murder" and "genocide" in over 90% of your posts is certainly not conducive to

reasoned debate……more like what one might hear at student "rallies" .

How reasoned is thinking the IDF bombing and starving men women and children and forcibly taking over their country is somehow keeping Muslim hoardes from attacking Europe (as you alluded to)?

Your student digs are gas.

Maybe you should take a leaf from students and go and read a few books rather than getting your geopolitical views from Facebook and cartoons.

I just want Israel to exist, the hostages to be released and for no more innocent people on either side to be killed.

Have you found a single poster on this thread who thinks any different to the above?

But tbh, your posts don't allude to this. You think Israel are stopping Muslim hoardes form invading Europe, and showing support for mass ethnic cleansing and you support them stealing land.

When you say you want Israel to exist - what are the borders of this Israel?

I find that people can sway on the right and left of different issues. On this particular subject regarding Palestine if i'm talking to my grandkids about it I tend to point them towards the meaning of Justice. Justice simply means fair play. If something is not or does not seem to be fair then one side is not happy and it usually leads to an action by the side that feels hard done by. For Justice to work both sides must be happy with the solution like in Northern Ireland with the GFA.

There will hardly ever be peace in Palestine because when one side gets all the decisions the other will react. If your lands are being stolen and you are not being treated fairly the voids will always be filled by groups like Hamas. Israel's solution always seems to be to use force instead of doing things fairly. Continually saying that 'you are surrounded by people who want to eradicate you' and then start eradicating them is never going to work. Justice must be done and must be seen to be done.

A sign at an anti government protest in Dublin today.

Well, with the current Gaza conflict death toll, the Palestinians are suffering an attrition rate of 50 deaths to 1 Israeli death. So presumably the Israelis and their supporters are a lot happier with an abundance of death to celebrate.

So presumably you condemn Israeli and the murder of over 50,000 Palestinians.

No need to answer.

Civilian casualties have happened but the Palestinian Health Authority aka Hamas, refuse to differentiate between civilian casualties and terrorist ones when releasing their figures.

No one wants any innocent people killed in any conflict but the Allies did murder innocent in Dresden during World War Two as well.

Theres a difference between somebody writing crayon on a piece of cardboard, and a document showing evidence of something actually happening you know