Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Yeah and Israel on October 7th 2023 suffered the biggest massacre of the Jewish people since the Holocaust. If an another country or terrorist group backed by that country attacked Ireland and took some of our citizens hostage, wouldn't you support military action against them as well?

No the Arabs do not respect the right for the state of Israel to exist. I agree with you though that innocent people in Gaza and Israel are suffering as well. Oh and btw Israel only hold Hamas terrorists as hostages. Blinkered anti Israel media outlets like RTE just refer to them as ordinary Gaza citizens though during the exchanging of hostages.

It is impossible to colonize what is your ancestral homeland.

As i said - naive.

https://www.savethechildren.org.uk/news/media-centre/press-releases/2024/physical-abuse-infectious-disease-spreading-as-conditions-for-palestinian-children-in-israeli-military-detention-deteriorate

Strangely the UN, icj, and the majority of the worlds countries, including the EU disagree with you. They are of the opinion that these are illegal settlements and must be removed. Those that believe in international law are against the illegal settlements.

Israel cannot de facto have "won control" because acquisition of land by force is expressly illegal under international law.

"Sacred sites" are equally irrelevant in regards to international law.

The "Israeli presence" is there to facilitate the illegal taking of land by Israeli colonists. "settlements" are explicitly outlawed under international law.

The Palestinian population have no vote and are denied even the basic protections of the Geneva convention. Seen in that context your description of Israel as "free minded and democratic" is utterly de-risible and seems to be designed to provoke.

It is impossible to colonize what is your ancestral homeland.

More nonsense.

The current campaign waged by Israel is succinctly summarised by Haaretz as follows:

The war erupted after 10 months of an intense domestic political and social crisis, due to legislation promoted by the Netanyahu government aimed at dramatically weakening Israel's judiciary and the prime minister's corruption trial, amid an escalation of violence between West Bank Palestinians and Israeli settlers, the latter empowered by Israel's most right-wing government ever.

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october 7th was a large scale terrorist attack, disgraceful certainly but a terrorist attack was what it was.
the religion of those murdered is irrelevant, it's just religious supremicist guff.

genocide is not legitimate military action.

incorrect, israel hold thousands of hostages, most of who have not been found guilty of anything in a reliable proper court.
rather israel just claim hamas without proof as they do for everything else they do.
chances are that in reality, only a small few of the hostages being held by israel are actual hamas members, especially given israel lie through it's teath about everything.
whether the arabs recognise the state of israel or it's right to exist is not actually relevant, the arabs have generally not been a problem to israel but israel has been the problem to them by invading them to steal territory.

it is when it's not your ancestral homeland though, which in reality it's not the ancestral homeland for most of the israely population who are mostly immigrants.
for the palestinians and other groups including some jews it certainly is their ancestral homeland as their decendants never left.

however these mostly immigrants were given a state for which more immigrants came, but instead of making it work and being happy the new state decided to engage in a program of ethnic cleansing and genocide and land theft.

so yes, occupation and illegal occupation.

Fundamentalist doctrine will solve nothing - onto the greyed out section you go

Various history lessons overnight on the thread, and history as always, is viewed differently from the various standpoints. To reach a solution diplomatically is going to be a difficult task as both sides are so entrenched in their views. Israel has stolen so much land and its reasoning is both historical rights and security defence issues. Gaining land for security issues is perhaps seen as justifiable, but when you colonise and settle it, then you have to gain more land to secure the settlements, so on and on the story goes.

Somewhere, sometime, somehow, you have to stop. The international world has to say no more. There's a failure on that when it comes to Israel for some reason.

The humanitarian issues alone in Gaza are and should be classed as disastrous, let alone the killing. Israel has to be seen as causing the most complete destruction of a band of people in the most dehumanising way possible. Yet the international community as a whole stand by and let it happen. Yes they cry foul and give sounds of disgust. But in reality there's more than Israel to blame for allowing it to continue.

As long as the US stands four square behind Israel, there's not much that can be done in any real sense. Sure, countries could boycott Israel and some other countries could refrain from selling them the weapons that they use to murder innocent people. But it wouldn't really make that much of a difference.

Israel has a long term plan. It's the elimination of the Palestinians and the robbery of their land. And with continued American backing, that's the direction things will go in.

Even the Israeli Air Force are having misgivings about the orders being given to them by the terrorist entity known as the IDF. Seems the IDF are openly lying to them about the risk of civilians being killed in each specific attack.