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The 2025 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,595 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Still in denial that the game ended in confusion among players and management and spectators, I see. Not just with Brannigan but McGuinness also. Now we get a jibe at pundits, most of whose 'main focus' is to do their jobs professionally. 🙄

    It took the GAA issuing a statement to clear up the confusion. To their credit they did that in a timely fashion and things moved on.

    If you feel the need to demean people who were genuinely confused - you have run down spectators, players, management and pundits - that's a reflection on you tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,030 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I don’t know if I am in the minority but I like the introduction of the hooter. Was saying for years should be in the men’s game works brilliantly in the ladies game. And the ladies football they even have the clock counting backwards, so it is even clearer still.

    Rule seems common sense in men’s game, once ball goes dead after hooter “sin è”. I am baffled by the fuss. The rule is the same as the ladies game.

    I am also loving the two pointers being scored, creates lots of drama. Draws me into matches more that my own county is not even involved in. Annoyingly Dublin are not as consistent at two pointers than other counties it seems.
    Anytime I see a two pointer scored from play, (even opponents of my own team)I appreciate the skill of it, and how teams work the shooter into the prime position for the shot.

    Better championship than previous ones so far in my view, already. And the new rules definitely have had a positive influence.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,595 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Problems with the 'hooter' are that it makes no sense unless it applies to all games.
    Also, it was clear yesterday there was a delay on both sides of the field.
    Invest the money and put in systems that at least function properly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    I was a spectator yesterday. The game did not end in confusion for me as I knew the rule.

    If you think Jim didn't know the rule you are delusional. He is not in the habit of commenting on things that are not directly related to his team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,146 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Not in denial at all, simply saying that any confusion is on the people who didn't bother to learn the rules. That they had to have the rule explained to them yet again is on to them, the tile was explained previously but it's easier I guess to guess your own interpretation of it and complain about it afterward.

    Do your homework.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,595 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,641 ✭✭✭Robson99


    What did the Galway lads do on ya....I thought they showed some mercy for ye yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,146 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    They were good Galway, moved the ball well under the little pressure put against them and won in probably second gear. We were shocking, continued the lack luster form of the league where we haven't adapted at all the new rules.

    Im not a Galway fan, I thought they were OK in recent years but overblown how close they were to actually winning an AI, but they seem to have moved on. PJs backroom team seem to have adapted the game well to the new rules and a lot of big, mobile ball winners around the middle third. Won easily without Walsh or Comer featuring, indeed looked to be more of a balanced unit without them on Sundays evidence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    Armagh v Tyrone, Donegal v Down and Dublin v Meath. All six are already are already qualified. Down deservedly so having won the Tailteann. For all others it is hard to say there is great tension around the games. The provincial championships are like are series of league finals for those already qualified.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 575 ✭✭✭eastie17


    your spot on Suckler. Canavans medals aren’t a patch on her 4 all Ireland senior medals, 3 senior national leagues, 11 all stars, FAI senior cup medal, professional Aussie rules contracts and record breaking scoring feats down under. Peter was good but he can’t touch that. Well observed but maybe a bit harsh on wee Pete to be comparing them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,671 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    A tale of two keepers I watched in games at the weekend. Donegal were able to get clean possession from their own kickouts against Monaghan on a number of occasions. Watch out for Patton doing that again against Down. But when the tide turned against Fermanagh v Down, their keeper kept launching all his kickouts high into midfield. And Down cleaned up and got their late scores.

    Possession is everything in the game, and the hand pass makes it easy enough to keep possession once the keeper finds someone with even a little bit of space from the kickout. The clipboard merchants are all over this (maybe not in Fermanagh), and I expect it will become something which will feature more with the pundits in their analysis.

    No sign of the chaos which some people crave. No team is launching high balls in round the square. It is still all about handpassing to create scoring chances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,061 ✭✭✭Suckler


    If they were won in the same code I'd accept that.

    There's still a huge gulf in standards in men's V lady's game today, the lady's game in the mid-90's when she was coming up was atrocious stuff. The fact she was wheeled out for a senior debut at 13 shows how farcical it was. Would a 13 year old boy ever make his debut in a senior intercounty game for the men's code? Not a hope. If you were picking a player for a match at the highest level win you games - would it be Cora Staunton or Peter Canavan? We all know the answer.

    She's probably the best ever player to play Ladies Gaelic, and it will take some player to top her achievements in that code; but the men's game is different. Female pundits are just window dressing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,146 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    I'm all got women in sport, and have no problem with female pundits, but Cora offers nothing insightful. These pundits are all just filling time and offer more heat than light, but save us from another vacuous Mayo head blathering on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,671 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    It doesn't matter whether they are male of female. Or what playing career they had. They will always get abuse on these pages. Just two random posts I picked out:

    "I much prefer Spillane to the Gooch Cooper who is just too boring like many of the pundits. Colm O'Rourke is there too long. Sean Cavanagh is probably the worst. Incredibly biased, spouts shite regular with varying agendas. Noelle Healey should do Ladies Football not Men's.Since they axe Brolly they've went too far safe in the punditry. And please can we have some pundits that aren't from Kerry, Dublin or Mayo ffs."

    "Ger Loughnane is the worst commentator ever. Praises the latest and greatest team, whilst abusing the losing teams. Particularly rough on Kilkenny, Tipp and Cork! Jealousy perhaps? Pat Spillane tries to be funny, but is a boring old man! Brolly tries to be funny but is just a nasty individual who trivializes players and their teams! O’ Rourke somewhat between the two! Ciarán Whelan is a breath of fresh air… knowledgeable and kind! We need more like him!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 575 ✭✭✭eastie17


    I partially agree on some women being there being window dressing but there’s plenty of men out there on these slots that shouldn’t be there either. Judge what they anre saying not the gender. Even Lee Keegan, great player but he makes no sense when he’s talking.

    Have ya seen the soccer on premier sports, internationally decorated players like Kenny Cunningham and Shay Given, but they talk awful rubbish.

    I think Cora does offer good insight, she’s also coaching a men’s senior football team in mayo so must know something about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,738 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    I don't spend much time listening to the analysis pre-game or on the Sunday game. It is too rushed, too safe and rarely much insight. I think the TV stations focus on almost entirely ex-players, management as analysts is short-sighted and a bit one-dimensional. The likes of Paul Rouse and Maurice Brosnan bring an awful lot to the examiner podcast and dovetail very nicely with James Horan or Fitzmaurice or whoever else is on with actual experience of playing and managing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,641 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Cake has to be the best of them all....thankfully it was short lived



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,146 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Another loother, how he talked his way into the Carlow job I dunno, wouldn't get within an asses roar of a senior club in Roscommon, let alone a county team. Haven't heard him on media analysis though thankfully.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,641 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Will prob lie low for the rest of the year...would it surprise you if he put himself forward for the Roscommon job when Burke goes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,146 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    It would amaze me, but woth Cake, you never know. He was pushing hard to get a gig with the ladies board a few years ago, did manage to wangle his way into some makey up development role part funded by the council or someone but that petered out after a while.

    He might put himself forward, but he's not getting near the seniors.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Group stage draw for the Sam Maguire and Tailteann Cups will take place at 1.30pm on Wednesday next, April 30th. A draw that should be done on the Sunday Game than waiting another three days for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,671 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    I can't remember any draws being done on the Sunday Game before? Last year the draw took 17 minutes to complete. That would be using up a lot of time on the programme.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,595 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Fancy (or maybe hoping) Tyrone to cause an upset today. Might dissuade the mandarins of the GAA from moving the Ulster Final to Croke Park again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    Armagh v Tyrone has the ingredients to be a good contest. Not to labour the point - both are already qualified for the All-Ireland series. That bit of an edge is blunted. The carrot of advancing in provincial championships hasn't been drawing great crowds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,146 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Tyrone are building again, and while they won't win the AI (this year) they will soon again and will knock out a good team this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,595 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Folk would be foolish to think competitiveness has departed the Ulster Championship or between this particular pair Armagh and Tyrone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,030 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I think it is the main thing keeping it alive. They have never liked each other.
    Then add in Donegal.

    I think the competivness of the Ulster championship is a bit overhyped, though. Basically because compared to the other three provincial competitions it looks great.
    New rules fecked up Derry. Down, Fermanagh, Cavan, Antrim, are also rans. Monaghan “OK” but no real threat to the top three. And not as good a team as the past version.

    A lot of the love for the Ulster championship historically was identity based more than anything, under the old rules. When it could become fairly turgid/dull for the neutral.
    Let’s be honest.

    Nowhere was this illustrated to me more when a few years ago (old rules) it was talked as the “best of Ulster football” Ulster Gael’s etc - animated commentary on the BBC. They were very excited.

    Meanwhile on RTE the SAME MATCH televised commentary was sounding bored, studio basically called it muck!! The fact I can’t remember who was in it now says a lot

    The real question is if Armagh or Tyrone or Donegal don’t win Ulster but win the Sam how many will remember who won Ulster this year or in five years time etc?

    As.a neutral non “Ulster Gael” I will keep an eye on the matches of course. Hoping to see a good match and the new rules working. Back of my mind there might even be a row between Armagh and Tyrone!


    But I know well I likely won’t remember who won Ulster this year in future. I have more hope of remembering who won the league.

    For me all this is shadow boxing until the real championship starts from the AI QF’s onward.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,595 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The real question is if Armagh or Tyrone or Donegal don’t win Ulster but win the Sam how many will remember who won Ulster this year 

    …the team that won it will. And that is what matters, not what somebody in Dublin or Cork remembers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,403 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Donegal does not wish to move, apparently, and there is no doubt that they will be involved in the final.

    Monaghan and Derry might be little bit behind, but if one of the favourites had an off day then they'd beat them. They'd be as likely to beat Cork as not.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,168 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    For the most competitive province, there have already been two 10+ hammerings, Donegal 1-25 Derry 1-15 (two Division One teams and a derby no less) and Armagh scoring an eye-watering 1-34 in beating Antrim by eleven.



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