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Why do people drive unnecessarily large cars?

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,436 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I missed the post where someone said they were physically too big for roads that larger vehicles can use. Or do you mean the 'our roads and urban areas' comment? If that encompasses car parks, or anywhere they interact with pedestrians or other vulnerable road users, it's a valid point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,606 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    I do need the Internet and laptop to do my work. I own a small second hand car if you must know. I do give money to charity if you must know. I could use a smaller TV I guess. I have a large dog and a small cat.

    Cars are not like TVs or bicycles. They cause way more destruction and cause way more deaths and injuries than TVs or bicycles. Large cars even more so. Most people don't need large cars. By using a large car you are directly taking from others in public spaces, are more dangerous in accidents due to physics, and you are consuming more of the planets resources. Which are shared and non renewable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,606 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    I got ChatGPT to summarise it. I didn't ask it for it's environmental impact though ...

    Large cars:

    Higher Manufacturing Impact: Large cars require more raw materials, energy, and produce more CO₂ emissions during production.

    Increased Fuel Consumption & Emissions: Larger vehicles consume more fuel, emitting more CO₂, NOx, and particulates during use.

    Greater Energy Use (for EVs): Larger electric vehicles have bigger batteries, requiring more mining for materials and higher electricity consumption.

    More Infrastructure Wear: Heavy vehicles cause more damage to roads, leading to greater maintenance needs and associated emissions.

    Higher End-of-Life Disposal Impact: Larger cars generate more material waste and are more complex to recycle or dispose of.

    Indirect Environmental Effects: Large cars contribute to urban sprawl, traffic congestion, and greater environmental damage from paved infrastructure.

    Safety Concerns: Large cars may offer better protection for their occupants, but they are more likely to cause greater harm to pedestrians and smaller vehicles in accidents. This increases the overall safety risks on the road and leads to higher injury severity for other road users.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    I don't need to know.

    I'm just saying you are judging people as greedy and selfish because they don't like life like you do.

    There are plenty of things we could do to cut down on our environmental impact and we could always give more to charity and those less fortunate.

    We all have different priorities and nobody knows why these anecdotal 1km journey gas guzzlers have been bought. They might need it for other reasons.

    But labelling them as greedy and selfish is not fair.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Well maybe not the "Gubberments fault" but certainly steps such as increased VRT/ taxation on larger/heavier non-commercial vehicles, additional parking charges for the likes of the Ford Ranger, so yes plenty of things could be done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,901 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    You’ve a dog and a cat! That’s so environmentally destructive!! How dare you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,708 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Again I ask, what makes you think you are qualified to decide "people don't need large cars"?

    Needs change over time. I've owned five cars in total. One of those was a seicento I bought new and drove for years. I still drive a small car (micra 1.2) but now I need a larger car to accommodate my changing needs. I would prefer not to have too change at all, but needs must.

    A family on my road has five young children. Are they "greedy and selfish" for buying a 7 seater vehicle with enough seatbelts and room for carseats / boosters for them all, or should they have just piled the kids into the back of the car without enough seatbelts?

    This whole argument on who decides what is "unnecessarily" large is just rubbish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    Post 604 and it's not a valid point at all.

    I don't care what car you have, I do not think our roads and urban areas are designed for the large SUVs that are increasingly common.

    It's a completely false assertion. Bin trucks, Amazon vans, transits, post vans, coal trucks etc. have been operating on our roads for years, decades in some instances, interacting with pedestrians and vulnerable road users. The roads are fine.

    They are well capable of accommodating the style of SUV in this country. Claiming otherwise is a stretch; I'd wager it's a load of faux concern to hide the fact that they just don't like them but haven't got the balls to say as much, because they're afraid of being labelled a moanbag, but that's my own opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭Yeah Right




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    Using Chat GPT?!

    "Cloud computing, which AI developers like OpenAI use, relies on the chips inside these data centres to train algorithms and analyse data. According to estimates, ChatGPT emits 8.4 tons of carbon dioxide per year, more than twice the amount that is emitted by an individual, which is 4 tons per year"

    Hmmm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    Two questions……

    1. How do you know they were fined €160?
    2. And, how do you know it's unnecessarily large?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,436 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    'and urban areas' makes it valid.

    if the point was 'SUVs don't physically fit on the roads' then yes, i don't think that's tenable.

    and your argument is a slippery slope one. are we going to be here in ten years time when cars are double the size they are now, arguing the same thing, and the defence is going to be 'but they're still smaller than fire tenders/coal trucks were in the 70s'?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 876 ✭✭✭blackvalley


    IMG_0759.jpeg

    School run Vietnam style



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,436 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    FWIW i don't buy the 'it's none of your business what i drive' argument. people don't drive their cars in private places, they drive them in the public realm, and there's a warranted pushback (in some contexts) trying to reclaim some of that public realm.

    i read that something like 20% of the cars sold in the UK don't fit in a standard parking space any more. will be interesting to see what is going to happen there; are 'they' going to make the spaces bigger and reduce the number of spaces, or are they going to simply make car parks bigger?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,000 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    In some of the older car parks I've seen people pulling into spaces and then driving away because they can't get out of their car.

    The market is already reacting.

    Newer Lidl stores have larger spaces with paver rows between them to accommodate easier access.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    'and urban areas' makes it valid.

    In what way does it make it valid? Yopu're not actually giving any reason for the validation, you're just saying it, but that doesn't make it true. Here, watch this: "including urban areas invalidates it even further". That's just a statement with nothing to support it. It's meaningless, just as meaningless as what you're said.

    if the point was 'SUVs don't physically fit on the roads' then yes, i don't think that's tenable.

    That's not what was said though, WTF is up with people countering arguments that are in their head? The point was that the roads aren't designed for cars bigger than a standard saloon/estate. This is codswallop. You don't think they factored in larger vehicles when designing the roads? You think they said "yeah, we'll never have anything larger than a corolla on the streets, let's eliminate any safety concerns so"? Really? Because anyone defending that point is essentially making that argument.

    and your argument is a slippery slope one. are we going to be here in ten years time when cars are double the size they are now, arguing the same thing, and the defence is going to be 'but they're still smaller than fire tenders/coal trucks were in the 70s'?

    The cognitive dissonance is off the charts. How can you accuse someone of making a slippery slope argument while you yourself are making a slippery slope argument? Are cars twice as big as they were 10 years ago? No, of course not. Are they twice as big as they were 30 years ago? Or 50 years ago?* No, of course not. Why do you think they'll be twice as big in 10 years time then?

    If someone is making similarly stupid arguments in ten years time, hit me up and I'll dismiss them just as easily.

    *Before anyone jumps in here, let me save your breath:

    Ford Cortina was the best selling car in Ireland in 1975. The mk III cortina had a length of 4,261 mm, a width of 1,702 mm and a height of 1,321 mm. A Tucson is a foot taller, another foot longer and about 10cm wider. Cars haven't doubled in size since they were invented. They're not going to do so again for the next 100 years, never mind 10. Claiming otherwise is an actual slippery slope argument, not, y'know, pointing out that we can already accommodate vehicles that are twice as large.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    I've been looking at a car that is "bigger" than a common UK size parking space. But in length only. Not an SUV, not tall, not that heavy. That is definitely making the stat look a lot worse than it is in relation to the SUV hate.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,436 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i remember trying to park in an underground car park in malaga - in a golf - and that was stressful! the spaces were tiny.

    wouldn't have been as stressful had i not been worried about the car rental company doing me over a minor scrape.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    You think you should have a say in what other cars people buy?

    Let's see how that goes for you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,773 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    So customers with smaller cars are paying for higher overheads to accommodate those with larger cars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭BP_RS3813


    Reequiring an SUV type for a wheelchair occupant is obviously needed.

    What about a single male, job is in office so no construction/Trade materiald required, no wheelchair space required?

    We use common sense to decide whats needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    They are probably paying more for tax in their petrol/diesel consumption so don't worry, it will work out. I'd be more worried about the money wasted on cycle paths.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,773 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Tax doesn't pay for Lidl car parking! 😂😂😂

    You might want to do some research on cycle lanes in general and return on investment in particular, institutional of parroting Facebook comment myths.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,606 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Yes, that's why I sarcastically said I didn't ask it about it's environmental impact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,606 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭Yeah Right


    That's greedy and selfish. You could drive a smaller car, or sell it and get a bike, and save some destruction of the planet, and even use the money you save to give to the poor and starving on the planet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


    I wasn't doing a direct one on one comparison. I just think any cent spent on rarely used cycle lanes is a waste. I have no interest in reading your UK based report though. Especially one that claims to be preserving the planet.

    I'm sure that if Lidl and Aldi are making bigger car spaces it will have been looked at from a properly economic standpoint and they expect it to increase families to shop there which will subsidise any cost that arises.

    And I don't use facebook.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,708 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    And what if that single male regularly transports friends or family members when not working?

    My point stands.

    You are making assumptions about the reasons why people might choose to buy the cars they do.

    And quite frankly, I see it as nobody else's business.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,000 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Sometimes I'm driving something small other times a bigger vehicle.

    The bigger spaces make the car park a more pleasant experience all round and safer for pedestrians.

    They also have family spaces, disabled spaces ev charging spaces and a bicycle rack that I don't use.

    The whole space is well designed to work for all users.

    Why would the marginal cost on my trolley 🛒 of groceries bother me ?



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