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Boundary dispute

  • 25-04-2025 12:24PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10


    After migrating back to Ireland to care for my mum I've discovered my neighbour built a wall on her land. He died and the house was sold last year to new owners. No adverse possession application was made by the previous neighbour who built the wall, and no adverse possession application has been made by new owner. It's 40sqm in total. The wall has been in place 15 years behind a row of trees that have now been cut down following storm Eowyn. Anybody know a good land lawyer? and or have an opinion based on experience of something similar?

    Thanks

    Sam



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    Did you speak to the neighbour? My brother had a similar issue a few months ago. His father in law put up a fence in the 90s and planted a trees along it. It turned out what he thought was the boundary was unfortunately a couple of metres inside the neighbours land.

    Anyway, after discussing the matter with the neighbour the leylandii were cut down (no harm) and a new fence erected along the correct boundary. Problem solved by just having a conversation with the neighbours and agreeing a solution, no need for lawyers in this case.

    I recommend your first port of call should be with the new neighbours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 Samsaram


    Aye, but in this instance it's the neighbour who have encroached on my mother's property, and it's a wall, not easily cut downable trees. I 100% agree with you in that a conversation with the neighbours is a 'step', but I am hoping to understand what are the rules in Ireland. While you want common sense and decency to prevail. I'd be hoping to know where my mother stands before speaking with the neighbours, if nothing else but to have confidence in what's being said, and what the rules are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭T-Maxx


    Funny how the error always favours the person putting up the fence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 Samsaram


    Ah, it was a definite overstep by my mums old neighbour, he wasn't the nicest guy, and my mum (87 now) was afraid to approach him about it back then. There's new owners, and they've been there just over a year now, and I'd presume they are nice people, but I feel it's best to stand on good knowledge before speaking with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭T-Maxx


    They'll obviously be under the impression that it's theirs and that they've legitimately bought it so you'd better be prepared with as much information as possible. No need to be threatening but at the same time you'd want to avoid a 'my mother always thought so' kind of situation.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    You'd be surprised how quickly a JCB can pull a wall down.

    Joking aside. I would without hesitation speak to a solicitor to find out what your options are. Perhaps your mother has used one in the past who she could recommend. They are well versed in property issues.

    Squatters, in this case your neighbours, have the 12 years on their side which has now passed. Should your neighbours get wind of the boundary issue before you act then you could be in a bit of bother in trying to get the land back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 Samsaram


    But as of last year the house has transferred into new ownership, and it was my understanding any claim within an adverse possession expired when the previous owner (and builder of the wall) died. I think you're right about the solicitor, I was just hoping somebody else here had a similar experience and had come to a fair outcome that I could use to inform what I've to do for my mother.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    The squatter rights pass to the new owner hence why I said don't waste time and get on to a solicitor ASAP.

    A local solicitor will be able to provide the advice you need.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,437 ✭✭✭arctictree


    How far over on your land is the wall? If it was only a few feet, I wouldn't bother, life is too short. I had an old neighbour who spent a fortune on legal fees over an issue like this and died before it was sorted.

    We had a boundary issue years ago. The neighbour was decent about it though and one evening we just staked it out and then I got a fence built along the agreed boundary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,313 ✭✭✭T-Maxx


    'Hi, I'm Sam your neighbour next door, and this is John my solicitor …' Nobody wants to live next to people like this so if it was me I'd do my homework first and then engage them in a friendly way. After all they bought the property like that and are most likely unaware of the issue. Also you have to consider the possible outcomes and what you're willing to settle on, e.g.:

    1. Getting the wall demolished and rebuilt in its correct location - who's going to pay for this
    2. Getting it demolished and just replaced with a lesser fence - is this worthwhile
    3. Leaving it as-is
    4. Redrawing the property boundary and transferring it theirs with some money changing hands


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    I'm surprised it didn't come up during the conveyancing, when the house was sold to the new neighbour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 Samsaram


    I've no information on this but the house wasn't registered on that I've sold my house register site in Ireland, and I've been told that means it wasn't mortgaged. That might explain it not being picked up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 Samsaram


    Yeah, I figured it'd be a conversation along those lines, and I'll get the advice of a solicitor, but I just thought there'd be somebody here that'd have gone through a similar situation and I guess, and they'd have some similar situation wisdom (in a way). But you're pretty bang on with what you've said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 Samsaram


    I hear you, but I wouldn't do anything until I spoke to the neighbour first. I'm just trying to spit ball it over, find somebody who's been through the same thing, and more generally just sound board off people. There's been good advice here, including yours, thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 Samsaram


    Do squatter rights exist if those right haven't been claimed by the original owner, are they automatically conferred/passed on to the new owner?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,666 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Years ago when we were buying a property that had an adverse possession angle, our solicitor advised us to get a written statement from the sellers stating that they had exclusive, uncontested sole access to a certain piece of property for x number of years. And getting that was a prerequisite for the sale.

    The new owners may still be able to get such a statement from the previous owner. In that case I don't know if you would have to provide written evidence that your mother had contested the adverse possession or if simply witnessing her verbal assertion of her property rights to her neighbour would count for anything. But if your old neighbour wasn't the nicest guy, it's possible he won't want anything to do with the situation now. In which case, the land registry is your friend.

    Have you checked against the land registry that the boundary is where you believe it to be?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 Samsaram


    Both my mother's and neighbours land registry maps are as they were in 1965 when the plots were created. A recent survey my of mother's site revealed the encroachment. There was no application by the original neighbour for adverse possession (they are now dead), and no application by my mother's new neighbour who has been there a year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,858 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    Land registry maps are not regarded as conclusive of the boundaries. You would need the deed which describes the parcels of land to have measurements, e.g. 100 feet from the west wall of the dwelling house, or or some such.

    If the encroachment happened more than 12 years ago, you are in difficulty. there is an established boundary marker, the wall. The neighbour would have squatted out your mother and passed his interest on to the new owner.



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