Transgender man wins women's 100 yd and 400 yd freestyle races.

I am dismayed that anyone would vote for Trump, and attend in person in the White House when he signed the EO, but Sey is entitled to do that if she sees fit

I wouldn't really be dismayed that anyone voted for Trump.

But someone who claims vehemently to be a woman's rights activist and champions Trump is just beyond bizarre.

It certainly opens pertinent questions to that persons motivations.

When I introduced Jennifer Sey to the thread you said she had "bitchuted herself retarded*" during covid

*I'm just using the r word to accurately convey what you said; I disapprove of it as others did at the time.

Rant 6 on that chart is interesting for many reasons.

Agree @aero2k - light weight whataboutery that’s akin to a background flapping noise, lol.
I cannot for the life of me take any of that input seriously, lol.

Thank you for the detailed post. It’s very interesting how this issue continues to fall victim to our default global political extremes. To move it along would require balanced arguments and understanding which I see no evidence of. The daily misinterpretations of the law are proof of that.

Anyone see Alastair Campbell (The rest is politics) today giving his skewed interpretation based on his daughter’s feelings and that a family friend’s teenager? For a one-sided flop it’s worth seeing.

I remember challenging him multiple times on his use of that word. He kept avoiding it as he knew he couldn't justify it. Pathetic.

What sports have left to be sorted out?

Are people still happy to continue to ignore the scientific studies that appear to be confirming that transgender athletes do not have an advantage in most cases and at times are actually at a disadvantage, particularly in relation to cardiovascular exercises?

I notice a lot of these people also claim that it's science that there are only two sexes. Science is science, you can't cherry pick which is valid or not, it's all based on research and study.

There is a load of garbage being churned out of brighton university, just muddy the water and pretend its real

Hamilton, B., Brown, A., Montagner-Moraes, S., Comeras-Chueca, C., Bush, P.G., Guppy, F.M. and Pitsiladis, Y.P., 2024. Strength, power and aerobic capacity of transgender athletes: a cross-sectional study. British Journal of Sports Medicine, 58(11), pp.586-597.

• Transgender women (assigned male at birth) have reduced lung function compared to cisgender women, requiring greater effort when breathing.
• They also performed worse on jumping tests, even when body composition was similar.
• While their overall oxygen capacity (VO₂ max) is similar, it’s lower when adjusted for body weight, meaning they may have lower fitness levels.
  

Chiccarelli, E., Aden, J., Ahrendt, D. and Smalley, J., 2023. Fit transitioning: when can transgender airmen fitness test in their affirmed gender?. Military Medicine, 188(7-8), pp.e1588-e1595.

• "Transgender athletics research thus far has focused on documenting physiological changes. Transgender males improve in most aspects of physical performance on GAHT, while transgender females experience deteriorating performance."

And a follow up paper to that one;
Chiccarelli, E., Ahrendt, D., Smalley, J. and Aden, J., 2022. 21. Effect of Gender Affirming Hormone Therapy on Athletic Performance: A Four Year Follow Up Study. Journal of Adolescent Health, 70(4), p.S12.

• After two years of hormone therapy, transgender women's 1.5-mile run times were statistically equivalent to those of cisgender women, and this equivalence persisted through four years.

Harper, J., Effects of gender affirming hormone therapy on exercise performance in transgender athletes (Doctoral dissertation, Loughborough University).

• GAHT in trans women leads to significant and sustained decreases in strength and endurance.
• GAHT in trans men results in consistent strength gains, aligning them closer to cisgender male performance levels.

Obviously there are limitations in these studies as the transgender population is around 1% and those engaging in athletics smaller again.

In the X thread that I quoted. You will have to click on it and read it to see it.

I did click on it. It is a tweet by Jennifer Sey. Which contains.

She Ran Boston in 2:50:04. Then Got Cancelled.Natalie Daniels aka "Natty-ice" (@natty_ice2010 ) is a 5x marathon winner, new mom, and fierce advocate for fairness in women's sports. She's 6 months postpartum & she'd been training hard to run Boston, her 18th marathon.

She claims she was kicked out for misgendering Hiltz

Have you evidence to where she claimed that? I can't find it.

That Nature study suggests sample sizes are small (in all research, this isn't a transgender athlete specific article) by choice. Research into transgender athletes relies on small sample sizes because the sample sizes are inherently small and in reality the methodology and rigorousness of the studies should be scrutinised rather than sample sizes.

As for that postmillenial link. Nothing more than hyperbolic pearl clutching. I await the research to conclude before passing judgement.

@Boggles I said thread. You have to read the whole thread.

I'm not on twitter. Can you just link to the tweet please by Daniels where she claims she has been kicked out of her club for mis gendering Hiltz?

Maybe you should join Twitter then if you are going to need access to it. Daniels herself posted on the thread, not denying any details of it.

Common sense prevails, even if it took a court judgement.

It's all very simple, have a mens category, a women's category and an open category.

Winners of men's sporting events would be men.

Winners of women’s sporting events would be women.

Winners of an open category sporting events would be men.

Take World Athletics for example. You need to read their transgender policy and point out where it is wrong. I'm not doing that for you. Under current rules, anyone that has undergone male puberty is not allowed to compete as a woman in international competition. They seem to be moving further in that direction by moving to a chromosome test next.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/feb/10/world-athletics-plans-tougher-rules-for-transgender-and-dsd-athletes

Under World Athletics’ existing rules, introduced in March 2023 anyone who has undergone male puberty is barred from the female category – after research reported that trans women retained an advantage in strength, endurance, power and lung capacity, even after taking medication to suppress their testosterone.

However, World Athletics now wants to further toughen its policy because of “new evidence which clarifies there is already an athletically significant performance gap before the onset of puberty”

No one is being excluded from sport. Another disingenuous point made by those who want males vs females. They are 100% allowed to compete in their biological sex category.

I don't know what a "proper athlete" is, I assume you mean an elite level athlete?

How many trans elite level athletes are there?