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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 7,005 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    Well, in my opinion, there hasn't been anything constructive posted in that thread in weeks. I think part of the problem is that there haven't been any significant news recently, this has become more of an ongoing affair than a current affair. So people feel they have to repeat the same tiresome arguments ad nauseam. I wouldn't even read it, to be honest, but I kind of have to, as people reporting each other a lot.

    As a general point: I have read this thread from the beginning. Now I'm a bit confused as to whether people want more moderation or less moderation. Some posts would suggest the former, other the latter. There doesn't appear to be a concensus. It seems to me whatever we decide after this feedback thread, not everyone will be happy.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,411 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    From your point of view, posts with the most thanks are decent posts, but those that have very little thanks are not?

    Well, that's not a great way to judge discussion, an echo chamber though? Yep, great way to judge it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,160 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Personally, I think the moderation is generally fine.

    My suggestion would be that a month ban should be the threshold for appeals from CA. Six months is a bit much IMO.

    But I think CA is largely a complete waste of time. And maybe six months off from it is no harm in many cases.

    I'd be A LOT more concerned about the unfixed bugs and glitches, zero communication from anyone about it and seeming total lack of investment or care in the site in any shape or form that I can see. It feels like arguing about moderation is re-arranging those proverbial chairs.

    Post edited by Arghus on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,897 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Just continue what you are doing please .👍

    It's the continuing extreme bans without DRP or any form of appeal that is upsetting.

    That was not was asked for in the original feedback threads . People were upset over reregs trolling , that was largely dealt with by the post count rule .

    But somehow somewhere the feedback was morphed into a banning spree with no right to appeal .

    There was a thread about it somewhere ..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,591 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Some modulation of what comes under the scope of moderation is all that needed.

    You can never please everyone, but once action is fair that's about as good as you can do.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,457 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It's the continuing extreme bans without DRP or any form of appeal that is upsetting.

    There is lad in DRP currently waiting nearly 2 months.

    Where another lad opened a DRP about CA and received 2 separate responses in a minute saying he couldn't appeal.

    There is absolutely no interest in resolving disputes for various reasons , that's why they are either ignored or outright banned.

    People just are not inclined to bother anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,038 ✭✭✭Polar101


    "Now I'm a bit confused as to whether people want more moderation or less moderation".

    They want more moderation for posters who they don't agree with, and less for themselves and those who they agree with. ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    I just want to agree wholeheartedly with your post @sydthebeat. I have never received a warning in 20 years on this site, but I would no longer be confident in posting in CA due to the inconsistent and incoherent moderation with no appeal. I would only post there by accident now, if following a thread from the homepage, but I read it every day. It's a shame when there is so much fair and reasonable moderation on the site that this issue has developed. It's the first time in 20 years I feel I could be at risk of getting a warning or ban.

    I thought long and hard about posting this comment also, due to the restrictive rules in this forum and there already being visible warning on this thread that I do not understand, and the disdain for posters I feel on this forum of late. But I think if "ordinary" (for want of a better word) members are avoiding posting in sections of the site, then it's at least worth making that known.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,840 ✭✭✭Archduke Franz Ferdinand


    the liveline thread on the radio forum is another where moderation has gone totally ott.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,593 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    That already happens. Not in every case. But it does happen. There are posters on this thread who will admit to getting PMs rather than warnings from moderators.



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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,593 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    You don't have to admit guilt. You just have to be civil. If you haven't done something wrong and the mod has misunderstood, then a simple PM, explaining that will most likely get it reversed.

    Come at a mod with "who the fk do you think you are on your power trip on an irrelevant discuss forum you jumped up fat prick" (Yes, those are the types of PMs we have all received at various stages) won't get you anywhere - except sitebanned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,897 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I have never abused anyone like that . You don't have to say something so obvious .

    The fact that you say that in a reply to me is either you being uncivil to me or a bad joke ?

    As for the latter explaining reversing etc .. Yes it has worked in the past but not with the mod in question . .



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,593 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    I never said you did. Your first line of the previous post was that you have to admit guilt. I replied to that saying you don't.

    The next paragraph was a separate point. I've already told people that approaching a moderator with a civil PM might help your case. Approaching with abuse, will not. Ever. More people tend to approach with digs or abuse than with a simple civil point.

    Both paragraphs were not directed at you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,591 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    I've gotten them myself, but not since the new rules were implemented.

    Best case scenario would be a zero point warning but thats happened once under the new rules from memory.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,897 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Funnily enough since the change in rules , no appeals by pm are entertained and if you do try you are told off for writing too long or too many pms .

    Damned either way .

    Anyway this isn't about me and I am not going to change your mind about anything it seems .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,897 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I think it is reasonable to presume when a post is addressed to you as that one was that it is directed at you unless you say " not you " .

    I accept your explanation .

    I don't agree but have already answered why above .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,826 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    You appear to have a fair degree of contempt for the CA population.

    Disappointing to see, especially as you wield a good deal of power over the makeup of that population.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,593 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    I stay out of CA. I don't think I've ever posted there. I'm not a moderator there. I don't believe I've ever warned or banned anyone there.

    But I can see that there are huge issues with the posts, and by extension the posters there. The reported posts forum is full of reports from CA. And feedback threads such as this are generally only about the problems in CA.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,593 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    If you've been told off for writing too long or too many PMs then your PMs are too long and you are sending too many. No moderator is obliged to wade through all that.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,593 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Can I ask posters - what would you like to be able to do in CA? What can you do to make CA a more pleasant place?

    Not what you think others should or shouldn't do, you have no control over anyone else.

    What are you going to do, as a poster, to improve CA?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,826 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Yeah, as I said, a fair degree of contempt.

    I guess it's understandable that somebody could form that opinion based only on feedback threads and DRPs and the like, but it's very disappointing than a site admin would never even bother scratching under the surface to see if their initial conclusion that they're just a bunch of malcontents* is accurate.

    *not a direct quote, a summation of your posts.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,668 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    What is the outcome you want here? We get thread after thread after thread with exactly the same tedious refrains year after year after year.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,897 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    So the first post here is what exactly ? The second appears to contradict it .

    Look this is too complicated for me .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,826 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    I already posted it.

    Ban dickheads. Ban them fast and ban them often.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,078 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    I posted in a previous feedback thread that removing thread bans at the same time as the change of moderation was going to be trouble.

    At the time it was claimed that too much time was used enforcing thread bans.

    Looking back now has more time being spent dealing with previously thread banned posters on certain threads?

    If so maybe time to bring them back instead of forum bans.

    Also AH needs a minimum post count as it's a breeding ground for re-reg trolls.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,593 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    I don't believe I said "they're just a bunch of malcontents". I believe I said something about where the malcontents are.

    Not EVERY CA poster falls into that category, of course. But it doesn't take full membership of CA to see that most of the malcontents on the site hang out in CA.

    Again #notallposters



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,593 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips




  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,593 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Threadbans will not be brought back. The feedback asked why someone thread banned from one thread would just carry on the argument in another thread. If a poster was threadbanned from 4 or 5 threads why were they still allowed in the forum, why not simply forum ban?

    Removing the threadbans has not added to the workload. People who were previously thread banned are now being forum banned instead. Getting them out of the forum and meaning the moderators don't have to chase them around the forum thread banning them.

    You didn't answer my question - what are you going to do to improve CA?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,826 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    I have no idea what the point you are trying to make here is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,078 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    That makes sense and thanks for the explanation.

    Only slight change I would have made to that rule would be to have kept the previous thread ban in place though during the transition.

    Also AH still needs to be addressed even a minimum10 post limit would help.



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