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Dating/befriending someone into conspiracies

  • 21-04-2025 01:24PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43


    Would you have an issue? I was having a chat with a friend who said that one big red flag for her in a relationship or friendship is someone who watches conspiracy stuff or American far right You Tuber's even if its occasionally.

    I watch Alex Jones and David Icke from time to time even though I believe a fair amount of what they say is BS. It's obvious Jones is a grifter and David Icke might be legitimately mental but they're entertaining nonetheless.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,299 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    Previous experience is no, as you can’t have a conversation with them without them bringing it that way. Knew someone who went full Covid conspiracy and stopped interacting as every conversation went that way.

    Nothing wrong with questioning the status quo but when I heard people using the words “they” (ie they usually undefined group controlling things somehow on a global level) then ….they are not for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith


    I mean I'd like to think i wouldn't date an idiot. If you are watching cos you just find it entertaining thats less idiotic I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Nope, being aware of that stuff to the point of familiarity is fine but actually believing the far right stuff for example is just somebody who is diametrically opposed to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,856 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    For me it would depend on how forceful they are with their opinions. I have a very close friend who I was briefly involved with in a romantic relationship but we decided to be just friends and she has strong theories about how vaccines are there to control us and tap water causes schizophrenia but we agree to disagree and its not a topic that we talk about very often.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,654 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    It's a hard no from me. As someone has already mentioned, there is nothing wrong with questioning orthodoxy or taking a contrarian view.

    The difference lies in what underlies the basis for taking those views. Those questioning orthodoxy who do so with at the very least an evidential basis? Who can lay their hat on something concrete and who then extrapolate a hypothesis? Well they at least are displaying a rationality that can be debated and reasoned with.

    Unfortunately, in every single independent thinker, just asking questions bro and rational thinker I've ever encountered? That rationality is lacking.

    I want to make clear that I don't know all the answers. That I am happy to assess new positions, new evidence and to accept when I am wrong. My experience of folk into CTs? Is that when presented with similar? Their theory adds a layer of plot armour that reinforces their own view.

    The simple fact that "conspiracies" are even an important part of their personality and identity is telling. I'd also add that on a personal level, dealing with the aftermath of such a person (and this before the rise of Qanon & similar) that these aren't harmless hobbies. I have dealt with the spiral, the crash and the effort to help someone rebuild.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    I would seriously question dating someone who watches Alex Jones and David Icke from time to time who finds them entertaining.



  • Posts: 697 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ah that's unfair. Sometimes it's fun to watch loons have meltdowns. It doesn't mean supporting them. People can be amazingly black and white here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭derb12


    it would be a deal breaker for me. There are plenty of entertaining people we can listen to that don’t peddle dangerous lies that destroy peoples lives.



  • Posts: 697 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Friend of a friend leans in that direction. She's actually fairly left of centre politically (most conspiracy theorists tend to be rightwing) but she does come up with her own theories at times that are just her opinion but she talks about them as though they're fact. "Covid was a scam". She's forceful and domineering and enjoys arguing for the sake of it. And you wouldn't be bothered taking her on - either let her rant, smile and nod or change the subject.

    Small doses only.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,435 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I generally have a laugh at those hard-core CTers. Likes of the flat earther, 5g is killing us all etc.

    Date one of them? If they were serious about their beliefs, a definite no.

    You might think it wouldn't be an issue, sure let them have their fun. But what would you do if you happened to have kids and they maintained that they weren't going to get any vaccination at all? Would you go along with it? Would you let measles potentially kill your child?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    They’re not meltdowns, they can be breakdowns, scams, or complete or utter scumbags taking advantage of horrible situations and the incredulous. Not an environment I want to be part of.

    Someone who watches the Kardashians would be very close to the same territory for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,631 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Hard no. Very hard no. I'd much rather go celibate and/or friendless for the rest of my days than deal with some melts who lack the basic critical faculties to question obvious nonsense.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,786 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    have a conspiracy relation, coherent conversations are a none runner, so having a fully functioning mature relationship is also a none runner!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,248 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    That type are usually failures in life and always the victim, so I avoid them at all costs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    There also seems to be a good overlap with the bro-sphere brigade, who it's fair to say spent the last number of years mocking the woke, my truth, feelings etc. (often justifiably). Yet there is very little difference when they expect their opinions to be treated equally as all others and engage in beliefs that are as dumb as anything the woke brigade had to offer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,347 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    I love a good conspiracy theory but I make sure not to overindulge or get too caught up in them. Don't forget many truths once started off as a conspiracy theory and just because it sounds far fetched doesn't mean it's not true.

    My uncle told me about ECHELON in the early 2000s but I mostly didn't talk about it unless it came up in conversation, lest I inadvertently bored the tits off of someone or came across as a nutter. It took nearly a full 15 years before it was mainstream knowledge after Snowden. Of course when everything was revealed the governments just carried on building their huge Orwellian datacentres unabated and became better at covering things up. No doubt there are more Orwellian truths waiting to be uncovered now.

    Most conspiracy theories are completely bonkers but maybe that's being done intentionally so anyone seeking the truth can't see the wood for the trees now and anyone who is really conspiring against us can easily dismiss anyone who calls them out as a nutter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    The problem is the calling out is normally done not just by nutters, but people who keep calling out things and then move on to the next ones. Conspiracies are normally revealed by someone close to the conspiracy or by someone who can get close to someone who is close to the conspiracy.

    Let's take Alex Jones (the clown Emperor of conspiracy theorists) as an example, he along with all others like to criticize the mainstream legacy media (as conspiracies are becoming mainstream) but at least they have a staff that are out there investigating, what is he going to discover from his studio? Unless you're Tucker Carlson and joe Rogan who thinks he a prophet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    It would be ok if it was a casual fúck buddy situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    I'm possibly completely wrong but I think these people are wrong 9 out of 20 times but being willing to disagree with the majority is good for society as it is often important to be willing to question what is perceived to be correct.

    My brother does my head in but like a stopped clock is sometimes correct. Just in last few weeks he suggested buying shares in x,y and z when Trump announced tariffs and shares went tumbling. He was sure Trump would backtrack to some degree quickly and was correct. As usual I ignored. Still wrong about covid etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 527 ✭✭✭New Scottman


    If they had generous breasts I would overlook a penchant for conspiracy theories.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    That could be a conspiracy in that Trump is out to benefit people close to him, which isn't outlandish since it's entirely within character.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 cathodrays


    Here's a funny clip of Alex Jones ranting:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,457 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I love hearing about conspiracy theories. The BBC podcast series about QAnon was good. Called The Coming Storm.

    I've tried to listen the actual conspiracy theorists and it turns out its so boring. Mostly total guff, detatched from reality without any serious back and forth discussion.

    I know it might sound hypocritical to enjoy hearing about conspiracy theories but think people who actually believe them are gobshytes, but that's what I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,145 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Anyone seen Alex Jones recently, wow his supplements must be great stuff or he's off his t1ts on Ozempic. He looks like Donald Pleasance now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭derb12


    I agree that documentaries, books, podcasts … anything about deluded humans falling for crazy ideas is fascinating. But when it is suddenly not some nutters in far flung places, but family members, former friends, colleagues - it’s not the same. I know of two couples in my immediate circle who’ve separated over extremist conspiracy theory beliefs. It’s heartbreaking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,876 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Disagreeing is not an issue. It's the unquestioning acceptance of obvious BS spread by charlatans for their own aggrandisement and enrichment which is an issue.

    So I wouldn't date a religious person either 😉

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Yep I enjoy learning about these elements too. I think there's a division of conspiracy theories these days too. I'm not gonna care so much if somebody believes something slightly silly like the moon landing not happening. But if they believe the COVID vaccine conspiracies on the other hand, that's actively harmful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,457 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I get what you mean but the thing they have in common is the belief that "they" are lying to us to control us or whatever else. The difference between those 2 conspiracy theories is the distance in the past.

    I suppose in the past more people would have been aware that they just didn't know that much abut the topic. Nowadays people can watch a couple of YouTube videos and think they know more than someone who spent their career learning about it. So it's more likely to gain support amongst people who don't know anything, but don't know that they don't know anything.

    Plus there's an entire online industry in peddling conspiracy theories. Clicks and advertising means any half-wit can make money convincing quarter-wits of anything.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,631 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Exactly. The conspiracy people love to frame disagreement as oppression but the fact of the matter is that anyone who believes in one stupid conspiracy theory is likely to embrace others. Often, they'll be preaching with the zeal of the converted on top of that.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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