Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

You may need to check your sarcasm meter QL.

And in the West Bank -

"Settler violence, backed by the military and long employed by the Israeli apartheid regime as part of its efforts to drive Palestinians from their land and take over it, has sharply escalated in recent years—particularly since the outbreak of the war in Gaza. During this time, more than 20 Palestinian communities have been forcibly displaced."

https://www.btselem.org/video/20250490_march_2025_settler_violence_escalates_with_help_from_the_israeli_military#full

The current state of detained Palestinians -

https://www.addameer.org/sites/default/files/publications/Prison%20Violence%202024%20-%20ENreviewed_compressed.pdf

That is a sickening read.

Justice finally dished out.

IDF has dismissed a deputy commander for the murder of 15 medics. They will have to reflect on the decisions they made that led to the deaths of those humanitarian workers and that they were shot at close range and buried in the sand. He or she will have that on their head for ever.

Of course, anyone else would be incarcerated for life. In some jurisdictions they would be executed.

It's almost as if if Israel doesn't care about deterrence…

Of course, if it were a Palestinian committing those murders, if they hadn't been executed themselves, they undoubtedly be anally raped with an iron bar.

But there you have it - "The most Moral Army in the World".

Terrorists.

The IOF and the Israeli state at it again-

" For years, Christians in Palestinian territories were regularly granted permits to visit Jerusalem around Easter but since the war with Hamas broke out on 7 October 2023, they have become almost impossible to obtain.

This Easter, the government announced it had issued 6,000 permits, though there are 50,000 Christians – mostly Catholic or Greek Orthodox – living in the West Bank beyond East Jerusalem. However, in reality, just 4,000 were given, according to Christian leaders, and often only to a few members of each family who applied.

These permits are valid for just one week and do not allow the Palestinian pilgrims to stay in Jerusalem overnight, meaning they have to make the gruelling journey back to the West Bank by bus or taxi – crossing a multitude of army checkpoints – every evening, limiting the festivities they can take part in. A group from the village of Taybeh said the Israeli military still did not allow them to cross over to Jerusalem for Palm Sunday even though they had valid permits.

The few who do make it to the Old City have been met with increased police brutality in recent years. In April 2023, Palestinian Christian worshipers and international pilgrims were beaten by Israeli police and armed forces as they attempted to reach the Church of the Holy Sepulchre."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/18/jerusalem-christians-easter-israeli-crackdown-church-holy-sepulchre?fbclid=IwY2xjawJyELlleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHjFaJADm3YYyqvPBZqGGDj7FFI04aFqqzyDdEipFLvYkW3x5N0fu1quXxL4C_aem__jyP804a1pGUy5Cs8PjIiw

Probably, but you certainly won't find another that is simultaneously praised as some sort of moral beacon.

Netanyahu loves to spin a web of lies at the expense of all Israelis and the hostages. But many see through his deceptions.

• According to Netanyahu, accepting Hamas' demands – ending the war and the withdrawal of all Israeli forces from the Strip – would mean "President Trump's important vision cannot be realized, the vision that will change the face of Gaza once and for all and allow our country to live in safety."
  
• Netanyahu said that "ending the war on these terms of surrender would send a message to all of Israel's enemies that by taking an Israeli hostage, the State of Israel can be brought to its knees," adding that he believes "that our hostages can be returned without surrendering to Hamas' demands."
  
• The Hostages and Missing Families Forum said in response: "All these words and slogans can't hide the simple fact – he has no plan."

The admission after days that they murdered an ambulance crew showed how he thinks . “ they weren’t murdered they weren’t tied up . There’s no need to tie up dead people

In principle, you make a good case.

However, the problem for Hamas is that they know that if they surrender unconditionally, Israel will flatten Gaza and their next step with be the West Bank.

The fact that Hamas attacked Israel on Oct 7th was a gift to Israel in terms of finally having carte blanche to wipe out every living thing in Gaza. Hamas and civilians (plus the press, humanitarian workers and medics as well). And if anyone believes that on an unconditional surrender of Hamas will lead to the Israel opening the gates, letting aid flood in and start rebuilding Gaza, that's very mistaken. Look at Lebanon and Syria. For Lebanon, Israel is continuously breaching the terms of the cease-fire and is taking over land. The same in Golan - they are illegally seizing land.

If however Israel could simply agree to the Hamas proposal of months ago, (which many Israelis are pushing for), there could at least be peace (temporarily).

Posted multiple times but in essence, Hamas will release all hostages and leave Gaza in return for Israel ending the war and allowing humanitarian aid in.

I cannot see what prevents Israel from agreeing to that other than they simply want to continue executing their master plan. Israel are no different to Hamas - they are terrorists and murderers.

And just in case there are any posts about " from the river to the sea", both sides use that phrase. There is only one that is capable of and actually carrying it out. Shades of the 1940s indeed.

Hard to keep up with the atrocities but this girl who had just found out her film was going to Cannes was murdered along with 14 of her relatives including a pregnant sister. Israel claim a "Hamas official" was there so that makes it OK or something.

Barely in the news. She was clearly targeted. Scumbags.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/18/gaza-photojournalist-killed-by-israeli-airstrike-fatima-hassouna

I wouldn't bother interacting with whatever that poster is

What you sow, you shall reap:

1. Israeli economy tanking (estimated cost to the economy is 400 billion over next 10 years)
2. Costs of transport through the Red sea (Houthis) has skyrocketed - some will not insure Israeli ships
3. Israeli judicial "reforms" led to the shekel and shares tumbling. A lot of investment, particularly technology, was withdrawn.
4. The ICJ ruled July 2024 that countries must not recognize, assist, or support the illegal circumstances arising from Israel's occupation of Palestinian territories. The court declared that all nations must avoid any economic or trade relations with Israel concerning the OPT or any areas that could reinforce its unlawful presence there. Additionally, it emphasized the need to take steps to prevent trade or investment activities that contribute to sustaining the illegal situation established by Israel in the OPT.
5. A report in 2024 indicated that around 1,700 millionaires have departed the country since 2023, seeking investment migration opportunities to mitigate risks and explore alternative residency options. The report announced a remarkable 232% increase in investment migration applications from Israeli citizens in 2023. Factors driving this trend include a 5% depreciation in the shekel's value against the US dollar, a 10% decline in real estate prices in Tel Aviv Israel's growing international isolation, and the financial pressure resulting from the war in 2023.

In addition to the above, I'd imagine tourism has taken a huge hit.

Pariah indeed.

Hopefully the documentary will get a release here although it will be an even harder watch now. I had know about this but thanks for posting it.

if Hamas were not still firmly in control of Gaza,

But wait, we've been told Hamas have been defeated. Just how badly defeated remained to be seen. You might remember it, you also gave the post a 'like'.

operating freely from tunnels and still firing rockets into Israel as a matter of routine.

So when Israel bombs a hospital it's because Hamas are operating out of it, but now they are in the tunnels…

As for the "matter of routine"; (and I'm open to correction on this) the latest rockets Hamas managed to fire was a month ago when they fired 3 of them after Israel broke the cease fire and relaunched their military.

But tell us more about "conjecture"…..