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Would you go on a J1 visa now?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,327 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Why not? As long as you follow the law and aren't there to make trouble, you have little to worry about. The people the Trump administration are mainly concerned about are violent migrant gangsters like MS13, Tren de Aragua etc, as well as political agitators like the antisemite mobs at universities.

    A few points of advice though:

    1. There's been some talk of increased checks on personal devices, e.g. mobile phones etc, so it would be a good idea to clear out your phone or laptop if there's anything on there that you'd rather not discuss with an immigration officer.
    2. In the main cities (like in much of the rest of the world) things are very expensive. Rent being the biggie.
    3. Outside the main cities, you're very likely to need a car.

    Other than that, if there are things in the US you want to see or do, or if you have friends or family you'd like to visit, you should be fine.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭engineerws


    antisemite mobs at universities.

    I guess you mean people opposed to genocide.

    You seem to be a strong supporter of Israel, I wonder were you particularly delighted at the recent murder of aide workers by the IDF or do you prefer when they simply drop bombs on the refugee tent cities?

    Nothing to worry about in the US unless you offend AIPAC...

    Back to j1, there's been some recent high profile cases.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/11/german-tourists-ordeal-reportedly-ending-returned-from-us-detention

    I'd say it's still the same as when I did j1. Hope for the best, most Americans are decent enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,610 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    I don't know when they started it but since at least 2013 they scan prints at the embassy now at your approval appointment and also in the US when applying for a renewal. Not on a j1 one though so maybe that's different



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/iran-s-supreme-leader-writes-letter-to-us-students-says-they-stand-on-right-side-of-history/3235511#

    When you start protests before the Israeli response to Oct 7 and get a letter from one of the chief backers of Oct 7 who's regime is openly anti Semitic (indeed the twelver sect messianic creed believes the destruction of Israel is necessary) you might want to have an honest look in the mirror.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    I wouldn't base any J1 decision on what I saw/read on social media.

    Back at it's peak about 1 in5 Americans had a Twitter account and 10% of the 1 did 90% of the posting. 2% of people shouting at each other is representative.

    To Quote Bob Dylan from memory

    "Get out in the country where the land meets the sun see the craters and the canyons and where the waterfalls run."

    1996 I went on my J1, went back every summer until 2001. Made life long friends and generally had a great time.

    Every previous generation of my family all but one male left for the USA; times were way way tougher then.

    Head off, grow and don't be getting scared from mainly bollox posted online.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭beachhead


    Hope thumpit and vance are not reading all the bollox here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,159 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    It's probably difficult to measure because of freedom of movement in the EU but I'd be interested to see how many Irish students go to the US for the summer to work compared to how many go to the EU to work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,643 ✭✭✭yagan


    Or stay and just work in Ireland. If you're still at home then accommodation is not an issue and it's a red hot employees market.

    You'd see more of the US on a two week holiday than struggling to pay rent and work on a j1.

    I did a campervan driving holiday in oz and at the end I stayed in a backpacker hostel in Sydney and I'd seen more in two weeks than all the working holiday visa crowd who'd been there for almost a year.

    That's where Erasmus is the new working holiday visa, you meet people from all over Europe and beyond and all in a college environment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,159 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    When I was young I was a bit like a lot of the posters on this thread.

    To me America was overrated, culturally and historically empty, the people were loud and arrogant.

    I never had any interest in applying for the Donnelly or Morrison visas that they were practically giving out in the early 1990s.

    I never went on a J1.

    Then by some twist of fate I got the opportunity to work over there, legal, visa everything.

    And when I got there I loved it, and I loved my time there, and I still love the place.

    My attitude to the US did a complete 180.

    My luke warm attitude to the US came from my father, who was a bit of a leftist.

    But he came a visited me when I lived there and he admitted that his opinion of the US was totally off, and he went back to visit many more times.

    Most people here who give out about America and Americans are like late teens early twenties me who never set foot in the place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,771 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Anyone not going based on hysterical social media content or "the political state of the USA" or anyone whos friends or family are advising people not to go are morons.

    People had no issue going when Bush was killing millions and thus creating 20 years of sustained terrorism.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,159 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Or stay and just work in Ireland. If you're still at home then accommodation is not an issue and it's a red hot employees market

    I'm talking in the context of Irish people being more connected with the US than with mainland Europe.

    Some believe that we Irish are more eastern looking than western looking right now, or at least becoming more eastern looking.

    I'd argue that we are still more western looking.

    Give a person a choice of the same job paying a salary that would give them the same standard of living in Boston or Berlin or Baltimore or Barcelona or whatever, and I reckon the majority would pick the US option.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Date on that article is may 2024 or considerably after October 7th. Not that it matters much as Israel had regularly invaded Gaza doing what it called 'mowing the lawn' or others call mass murder. There's no justification for their genocide and sad to see the USA providing the funds and weapons for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭engineerws


    I went in 2000 and the salaries were good by Irish standards. Three of us shared a bedroom and had a great time but I wonder how easy it would be to find accommodation nowadays and how easy it'd be to come back with money. A big thing is working and living with Americans and getting to know them that way which is very different than being a tourist but I wonder would it not be similar in Madrid/ Barcelona as in getting to know the people etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,643 ✭✭✭yagan


    I admit I grew up heavily influenced by US popular culture, but familiarity is not affinity.

    Lots of classrooms have loads of kids with parents from other EU countries, other languages aren't a mystery for them.

    Myself and a sibling have done the emigration to the usual anglosphere haunts but now I've nephews who prefer lives in Europe.

    When I grew up in high unemployment priest infested ireland the USA looked like heaven, to current Irish youth it looks like a dumpster fire.

    From a career point of view the USA is still the place to head for MMA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,537 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Ah, apparently those of us morally opposed to Trump are morons now…

    For the next 1,374 days (or at least until there's a president-elect who isn't a MAGAT), visiting the USA is lending financial supporting to facism. Honestly, I don't even know how people working for most American MNCs can look at themselves in the mirror at the moment.

    Students are free to take up a J1 if they choose to do so. They're not free, however, from being called out for supporting a tyrant by stimulating his economy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,537 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I really don't think that holds true these days. Sure, there's a language barrier when visiting most of the EU but culturally and politically we're far closer aligned with our European neighbours these days.

    The "closer to Boston than Berlin" line was always rather simplistic imho. As a nation, we are closest by almost every cultural measure to the British than anywhere else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭taratee


    Their country, their home, their rules. People who enter the U.S. on a visa need to respect those rules, whether they agree with them or not. I can't wrap my head around their fascination with guns, for example, and I think it's downright irresponsible for the average person to own one—but I'm not going to be rude enough to say that to people while I'm there. Any student who goes over there thinking they can get away with messing around with the police is in for one hell of a shock.

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭engineerws


    It's ironic in a way as the American colonizers did not respect the original people whom they slaughtered but get your point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,159 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    We like to think we are becoming more European connected or becoming European influenced than American connected or influenced.

    And this idea that we are more European has gathered momentum since Brexit.

    But in reality if there was someone else other than Trump in the white house we would not even be having this conversation.

    Something I'd be interested in finding out is how much Americanization is there among Europeans.

    Do the Portuguese for example consume more American media/music/culture etc than they do Spanish or French media/music/culture ?

    On Portuguese TV do people prefer output that comes from America or output that comes from Spain or France or other European countries?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,537 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I think it's far less to do with media consumption and more to do with America's culture of extreme individualism.

    Europeans are, for the most part (and certainly as Americans would see it) socialist to one degree or another. Their furthest left politicians would barely be considered left-wing here, probably more left-of-centre.

    While certainly, the US has great healthcare and educational facilities if you're rich, their extreme selfishness means that unless you are, you're fucked if you get sick and are more than likely under-educated by a desperately underfunded public education system. It's an appalling worldview and doubly so from a nation where those proclaiming themselves to be "Christians" hold such power.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,771 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Social media really has destroyed peoples brains.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,159 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    In that regard we are definitely more like the as Americans.

    I've yet to see an election in this country where the party promising the largest tax cuts where shunned for the sake of the party advocating tax increase to fund such and such.

    We love our homeownership, we love big gaudy Celtic Tiger era mansions.

    Look at our city streets, where in Europe you see cycling and small smart cars or those new weird Citeron ones, in Ireland you see big SUVs.

    We will sue at the drop of a hat.

    We are just as individualistic as any American.

    We love to think we are in some way altruistic like the way we perceive mainland Europeans are, but we are not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,537 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    You're entirely correct, without it Trump would never have been elected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,537 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    I really don't think so. Independent politicians can get elected here simply by loudly protesting the closure of a local A&E department or the like.

    The Irish are quite an altruistic people and it's not a new thing: we were the largest donators to Live Aid per capita while in the middle of a horrendous recession in the 80's, more recently we were the first nation on earth to legalise same-sex marriage by plebicite: something the vast majority of the electorate stood to gain no benefit from. We have one of the strongest social security nets in the world, education while touted as free is at least extremely low cost and of a high standard when you look at international rankings. Even the HSE for all it's many, many problems is, by international standards, a pretty good public health system.

    The Irish people wouldn't stand to watch people who'd worked hard all their lives become bankrupt because of a cancer diagnosis. We wouldn't stand for watching kids die in mass shootings because it encroached on our "right" to own semi-automatic assault rifles. We're up in arms over a housing crisis where the number of rough sleepers is miniscule, a sharp contrast to the US where homeless camps exist in every major city and indeed some of them have actually achieved fame (Skid Row with it's estimated 4000 rough sleepers, "The Jungle" in San Jose until it's residents were forceably moved on in the 2010's).



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,805 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Really! Here is the thing, unlike any other country, we you avail of their visa program, you accept that you haven no right to legal representation, no right to due process etc… They are basically free to do whatever they like and you have no rights. Combine that with the current climate and I would not advise anyone to go there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    I'm just back from a trip and to be honest I would have little to no interest in going back there. Its a totally different country from when I did my J1 20+ years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,327 ✭✭✭SeanW


    We get it - you're on the same side as the Ayatollahs.

    Welcome to all of human history before the last 100 years or so. Including pre-Columbian America, by the way.

    But back to the actual topic of the thread, few countries would admit people who are only there to stir up trouble. Everyone else, who follows the laws, should usually be OK. That rule applies not just to the US, but anywhere you go that you might need a visa.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 661 ✭✭✭engineerws


    That's quite an insinuation.

    We get it

    I guess you're part of an organisation now, Irishmen for genocide?

    Being anti genocide and anti murdering of babies means that, it doesn't suggest affiliation.

    Really sick of you defending the slaughter of children day in day out but appreciate this is boards.

    Sadly, since 911, the USA seems less free and enlightened and more benighted. I was really surprised how dated the Radisson was when I stayed there in 2005. The infrastructure, everything seems to be getting worse than when I first went in 1999. It was still amazing on my j1 and I'd probably go again given my grá for American literature but given the amount of stuff on TV these days not sure if it would have the same appeal if I was growing up now. It was the home of electronics, space exploration, Hollywood, BMX, skateboards, surfing, music, now.....



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,574 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Not a chance. Used to be my dream to move there permanently. Now I don't even want to go for a holiday, much less a J-1.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,348 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    They hardly control who sends them letters. The whole guilt by association thing is a clear fallacy.



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