Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

You can clearly plan an increase or decrease in immigration both legal and illegal. Many example's the world over. Also just letting whatever happens happen is still a plan, just a very **** one. And an extremely irresponsible one to the people of Ireland considering what's at stake.

When I was growing up it was possible to work abroad and earn an even better wage with the potential of someday returning to Ireland (doesn't happen that way for a lot of people) and buying a home.

Now the wages are really high in Ireland, the cost of property is really high and there isn't an obvious alternative with cheap housing and better wages where one can save.

I was looking at this :https://www.reddit.com/r/chinalife/comments/151idb2/career_options_for_a_foreigner_moving_to_china/

Looks like very little opportunities in China outside teaching English.

So people in Ireland don't seem to have that many options anymore, especially people not working in tech. An obvious solution to help the people in Ireland would be to temporarily reduce international Visa's. It seems the compassionate thing to do. I can't understand the "who cares about people in Ireland" argument that appears day in day out here.

Once we had Noel Brown who cared so much as to fight for unmarried mothers in Ireland.

https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/how-the-irish-times-exposed-the-mother-and-child-scandal-70-years-ago-today-1.4524235

Now it seems it doesn't matter to some if a working married couple have to raise their children in a box room or a shed in their parents back garden IF they're lucky.

Surely the people of Ireland (including recent arrivals) still matter now too? Surely they deserve a quality of life that is more than being rent slaves to ruthless landlords?

It is a shift in demographics, it is mostly young adults who are coming to live here. Our population is growing not organically. There are more people competing to buy homes.

There are more people for whom English is not a first language which impacts so many including education.

What are demographics?

Demographics are the various characteristics of a population. Examples of demographics can include factors such as the race, sex and age of a population that is being studied. The statistical information on the population's socioeconomic conditions is known as demographic data.

Demographics covers a wide field of metrics, how people can dismiss the affects immigration has on demographics in Ireland is akin to an ostrich putting its head in the sand.

You're aware that economic stability at 9% is a full 50% more than immigration at 6% are you not? That's far more. If you've 50% more cash in your wages or benefits you'll be far happier. And then you have housing/homelessness at 28% which is a whopping 4.7 times more of concern than immigration, cost of living 3.2 times. All very few people voted with asylum seekers and refugees in mind. Oh hang on, they did. They voted AGAINST the anti-immigration parties.

Do you really need a reminder that those parties opposing people fleeing war and persecution got a sum total of zero seats in a Dáil with a hefty 174 of them available. Not even one seat that would have earned 0.57% representation. Zilch. Nada. 0% representation in our native parliament. Maybe it's time that sunk in and the realisation that hateful views are unattractive in 21st century Ireland.

Immigrants pay tax. Many pay large amounts of it. Immigrants play a large part in running our hospitals, civil service, universities, banks, legal firms, IT businesses, social media companies, construction industry, restaurant and hospitality and every other business going. Immigrants keep the country running. You don't like it. Your prerogative. We should all be contributing as much as these people.

Nothing whatsoever. Many of the people opposing immigrants, as evidenced from the occupations (or not) of those sentenced after the Dublin riot and elsewhere, are contributing nothing or next to nothing to our economy. It's an odd position to be so critical of those providing for current and future pensions.

The report refers to 'labour force' figures including projections for the size of future 'labour forces'. That means those in employment or actively seeking employment. That is therefore the age range you mentioned but not including students and includes those over 66 who continue to work. It does not include non-working pensioners.

All those immigrants you quoted arrived legally via applying for work visas or being eligible due to being EU or UK citizens. Asylum seekers from third world countries with minimal or no English or education who eventually are allowed to stay after costing the state a fortune will invariably end up in low pay jobs. They won’t be paying too many pensions.

Historical fact shows that the only replacing we've actually been witness to have been the white colonising of the USA, Brazil, Australia, Argentina, Colombia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Cuba, Peru, Bolivia and others where they've taken over from the native population. Do you approve of that 19th century resource-grab and widespread genocide.

The current theory is a long-debunked one, but hey, enough of me, have a read of what the WP has to say.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/17/great-replacement-theory-is-ignorant-both-broadly-narrowly/

And there it is - 'white colonising' happened, so we today should sit back and take unlimited mass migration on the chin. Ireland committed none of that resource grab and widespread genocide the WaPo alludes to. To call it 'white colonising' while Ireland amongst many other historically White dominated countries hand no hand or part in those actions is an abhorrent racist trope. The endless attempts to frame the actions of historical Empires who conducted colonisation as a 'whole of the White race' modern day guilt trip is nothing short of a weak, decrepit, self-loathing and frankly racist mindset.

Actions by people who are long dead (and many generations have since passed) are no way the responsibility of today's peoples. We are not responsible for the actions of our forefathers, however if those on the woke spectrum feel such importance over things that happened a long long time ago there is a Trocaire box they can pop a few bob in to to relieve themselves of the overwhelming guilt and shame they obviously feel - just don't expect everyone else to part with their money.

One thing though that I notice never gets mentioned whenever the discussion of colonisation pops up, is how Japan, Thailand, Turkey and China are never mentioned for their colonisation of other lands and peoples. Never mentioned is the huge African participation in the slave trade. Why is Japan, China and Thailand in particular who remain by and large monocultural, ignored? Why is there no mass-migration into Japan? Their fertility rates are on the floor! Surely the good 'ol NGOs should be calling this out. Nope, not a peep. It seems only Whitey needs mass-migration and if it's non-White migration it's even better for some as it soothes their aforementioned guilt trip.

Proportionally more non-Irish residents are in employment than Irish nationals. That's unambiguous or are you disputing the CSO figures?

Isn't this just because more non Irish nationals are of working age, with very few of them, if any, being retired (yet)?

So unless we're going to send them back when they get old (which I doubt you would be in favour of doing!), that will change within a few decades.

Yes, apply EU law and send them back to Slovakia etc. We have no obligation to fund them beyond six months. Other EU countries have no problem doing this, so we should do the same.

Enforce the provisions within the law as it stands: Freedom of movement in the EU

If someone from another EU country lands here and is unable to support themselves or becomes a burden on the social assistance programmes they can be served with a removal order after a few months.

I genuinely would be shocked if the Irish Government actually enforced this provision - they are more likely to house them, give them medical cards and generous welfare payments. We are a very soft touch in this regards.

In 2019 the cso made a population projection that by 2036 the population of Ireland would reach three different totals given high, medium and low migration M1 = high net migration of 30k per annum M2 = medium net migration of 20k per annum and M3 low net migration of 10k per annum. By the cso figures of 2024 the year to April we have surpassed the low M3 figure of total population of 5.33 million predicted for the year 2032. the M2 figure of 5.57 million for 2032 will be surpassed very soon. Bearing in mind net natural population growth which is much easier to predict given data on age and predicted birthrate is not suppose to reach the minus levels until around 2047 and then it is the single figure thousands it seems unlikely unless there is a massive recession and net migration turns to net emigration (there was not one year of predicted net outward immigration). In fact the predictions in 2016 have overestimated our fertility rate. Net population increase is driven more by migration. If there is a recession though none of us will have to worry however given we have increased government spending by 50 billion in the past 6 years when/if a recession hits us we are all well and truly goosed. That will be a test of integration and social cohesion. Our social welfare supports for the rental market our social welfare payments and our public services for an aging population not to mention the pension crisis. We wont be spending 8 billion on housing or 2 billion on refugees.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-rpp/regionalpopulationprojections2017-2036/regionalpopulationprojectionsresultsoverview/

"The wildly racist Great Replacement Theory seems to have taken hold with people who seem unwilling to fact-check and possibly have a higher than usual quantity of gullibility genes (not you obviously) and have led to a large number of racist murders and mass shootings of non-natives. The USA circa 1900 held the widespread belief that the white population were soon to be replaced by immigrant Chinese & Japanese. How did that work out?

Historical fact shows that the only replacing we've actually been witness to have been the white colonising of the USA, Brazil, Australia, Argentina, Colombia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Cuba, Peru, Bolivia and others where they've taken over from the native population. Do you approve of that 19th century resource-grab and widespread genocide.

The current theory is a long-debunked one, but hey, enough of me, have a read of what the WP has to say."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/17/great-replacement-theory-is-ignorant-both-broadly-narrowly/

Had to argue with that logic. I will resist the baiting there. Yes we get it diversity is our strength. Native Irish live with unearned privilege. The Irish emigrated to the 4 corners of the world - The Native Americans saved us from the Famine with their go fund me. Immigration officials at the airport are "Trumpian" etc. etc.

I think you hit all talking points there though.

1. All White people are racist colonizers who get what they deserve.
2. They are low IQ with gullibility genes for questioning immigration and demographic change. If they do that they are conspiracy theorists and obviously racist.