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Switching electric/gas providers (see first post for links)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,392 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Don't submit an electricity meter reading if you are on a smart meter, it won't trigger a bill but you might get a narky response from Flogas - I did.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,149 ✭✭✭This is it


    Got the same last year after signing up, unactivated smart meter. Gas is fine but not electricity



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,480 ✭✭✭Invincible


    Switched on 9th,received letter from them on 14th,dated 10th,confirmation of set-up of your Sepa Direct Debit Mandate. Received email from BGE yesterday with final bill for 20 days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,480 ✭✭✭Invincible


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    Bit late now,time was last October when they were offering 33% to new customers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,254 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    that’s all flo gas do and then you will get a bill

    The internet isn’t for everyone



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭xboxdad


    FloGas scammed me it appears…

    I just renewed my fixed rate dual fuel contract with FloGas and made sure to discuss the nature of the fixed rate plan I signed up for. It is not a fixed discount plan, but a fixed rate plan, so the standing charge can change, but not the unit rate. I got this confirmed over the phone when I signed up.

    Despite this, I got two letters from FloGas (attached) with the following text:

    Gas:

    The percentage discount off our Standard Rate is fixed for the duration of your contract. However, the unit rate, standing charge and Carbon tax levy are subject to change. This also applies to fixed energy tariffs.

    Electricity:

    The percentage discount off our Standard Rate is fixed for the duration of your contract. However, the unit rate, standing charge and PSO payment are subject to change. This also applies to fixed energy tariffs.

    This directly contradicts and defeats the purpose a fixed rate plan vs a fixed discount plan..

    I sent them an email asking them to confirm this is an error in the letters…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,582 ✭✭✭bren2001


    FloGas didn't scam you at all, you're incredibly dramatic on this thread.

    The T&C's of their plan is: "This is a fixed energy contract meaning that the energy component of the unit rate and standing charge are fixed for the duration of the contract, but regulated pass-through charges may change. If we need to adjust these rates because of regulated charge changes, we will write to you 30 days in advance of the change"

    Your unit rate is fixed. Your standing charge is fixed in the context FloGas can only increase the standing charge if the regulator changes their charge which is expected later this year. You will be given 30 days notice.

    You don't have a percentage discount so there's nothing to fix there.

    FloGas's communication has always been awful. There is an error in the letters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭xboxdad


    Nope, not an error, they do mean it…

    See the response:

    "Your affinity plan is named “fixed”

    This means it is fixed on Flogas end,

     But if ESB increase there passthrough charge in October (this is totally out of our hands and therefore nothing we can do about it) , and if it is going to effect our BWG customers this may increase your standing charge/unit rate."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭Comer1


    I also received this letter, 14 days after the start of the contract. How convenient.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭Comer1


    This is a screenshot from the email I received on the 1st of April. As can be seen, it's a different tariff name. On the email it's BWG Fixed Rate Affinity Electricity and on the letter I received today, it's DG2 NSAV DF BAFF Fixed 18 April25 RN. Does any of that in today's letter refer to a fixed rate?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,582 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Its all in their T&C's: "This is a fixed energy contract meaning that the energy component of the unit rate and standing charge are fixed for the duration of the contract, but regulated pass-through charges may change. If we need to adjust these rates because of regulated charge changes, we will write to you 30 days in advance of the change"

    Regulated pass-through charges are expected to change later this year. They don't know what it is so can't fix that portion. That's not the "Flogas end".

    If the regulated charges change, then they will adjust accordingly. That is a fixed rate tariff. If gas prices spike, your bill will not go up because of that.

    There's zero scamming here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166 ✭✭Lester_Burnham


    According to the email they quoted and the letter from the other poster the unit rate is clearly not fixed. They both refer to a fixed discount. The letter and email say the unit rate, standing charge and PSO levy are subject to change.

    I wouldn't go all wack job calling it a scam but it looks like there's been a misunderstanding.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,431 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    DG2 NSAV DF BAFF Fixed 18 April25 RN

    DG2 - Means you are a rural residential customer. it is an ESB code.

    NSAV - Night Saver Meter

    DF - Dual Fuel (I think)

    BAFF Fixed - I'd guess Bwg AFFinity Fixed

    18 April25 - Start date of your plan.

    I don't know what the RN is. But my existing fixed affinity plan has that too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,254 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    flo gas communication has always been littered with errors and slow, i got my letter today but no sign of the emerald park tickets but they will probably come after the easter break

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭Comer1


    Just off the phone with flogas. It is not a fixed rate, I wasn't told the truth on the phone when I signed up, and also when I received the email mentioned above which stated fixed rate.

    The agent on the phone kept deflecting and then threatened to put me on standard rates because I wasn't a member of BWG. His whole tactic was to deflect and distract from the email I received on the 1st of April, constantly telling me to calm down and stop shouting, which I wasn't. I just kept asking him to explain why I had an email saying that I was on fixed rate and he is saying that I am not. I also told him it seems like skullduggery that I received the letter confirming that I am not on fixed rate, just outside cooling off period.

    No matter what happens, I'm cancelling, even though I will probably have to pay the €50. I'm not giving this shower three thousand euro over the next 18 months. I asked him if he was concerned if I sent a copy of the email and today's letter to the CRU, if they charged me the €50 exit fee. He just said "I'm not the CRU and you WILL be charged the €50." Im not sure that would actually be a good idea, as i am not a member of the BWG group. Could they nullify my past contract and force me to backpay what i should have been paying on standatd rates for the past couple of years?😨😁

    He said he'd get the person who sent me the email to call me. I won't hold my breath.

    Anyway, charming company🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,254 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    so you’re trying to play the system by pretending to work for bwg and then you ring customer service and shout a load of abuse at the person on the phone

    Well played 👍🏻

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,254 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    My letter says I’m on day/night rate and I checked my online account and I’m on day/peak/night as agreed on the phone

    Flogas could do with improving communication a tad

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,149 ✭✭✭This is it


    I understand that charges may be passed on, but outside of that, is it a fixed rate or not?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭Comer1


    Where did I say I shouted abuse at anyone? Don't get a nosebleed up on that high horse, many people signed up for the BWG offer, not being a member. And I'm pretty sure that suited Flogas just fine.

    Anyway, that's not the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭Comer1


    He categorically stated it is NOT a fixed rate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,582 ✭✭✭bren2001


    The letter also redirects them to the T&C's on their website. The T&C's state: "This is a fixed energy contract meaning that the energy component of the unit rate and standing charge are fixed for the duration of the contract, but regulated pass-through charges may change. If we need to adjust these rates because of regulated charge changes, we will write to you 30 days in advance of the change"

    Its fixed unit rate in the manner that if the price of gas increases, FloGas cannot turn around and up the unit rate. They can only up the unit rate if regulated pass-through charges increase.

    I rang and the above was confirmed on the phone to me.

    Edit: The email they quote states: "This means it is fixed on Flogas end" that is perfectly in line with the above.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,254 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,072 ✭✭✭Buffman


    In fairness checking both there's a big difference between last year's BWG fixed letter and this years one so I can certainly see why people are concerned.

    The first two sentences of that paragraph are the same in both "The percentage discount....... subject to change", but the next sentence in last years letter states "This does not apply to fixed rate tariffs, but PSO Payment is subject to change on all electricity tariffs." V this years "This also applies to Fixed energy tariffs".

    The below is a general 'signature' and not part of any post:

    FYI, if you move to a 'smart' meter electricity plan, you CAN'T move back to a non-smart plan.

    You don't have to take a 'smart' meter if you don't want one, opt-out is available.

    Buy drinks in 3L or bigger plastic bottles or glass bottles or cartons to avoid the DRS fee.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 7,067 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger


    Likewise.

    Same letter as above except I'm

    DG1 24HR DF BAFF Fixed 18 Apr 25 RN



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,613 ✭✭✭jaffa20


    Why do they send out these letters with no rates attached at all? It would be nice to have confirmation of those also.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,431 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    DG1 means you are an urban residential customer.

    24HR means you have a standard 24 hour meter.

    I agree, though note they included a PDF in the signup email (View Rate Tariff Card) with the details of the rates.

    BTW The PDF I got says:

    • This is a fixed energy contract meaning that the energy component of the unit rate and standing charge are fixed for the duration of the contract, but regulated pass-through charges may change. If we need to adjust these rates because of regulated charge changes, we will write to you 30 days in advance of the change

    Which seems pretty clear to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,619 ✭✭✭Roberto_gas




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,254 ✭✭✭✭OmegaGene


    i have a bill dated 14th of april and the change of tariffs is there for me

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 24,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sully


    Lads I had electric ireland call to the door. Their offer was a 24hr smart plan 21.85 rate and 230 standing charge.

    Seems better then the flogas offer, no?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,082 ✭✭✭✭CoBo55


    Check it includes Vat, they usually quote prices ex Vat to make it look brilliant.



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