Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Israel broke the cease fire that would have seen the second and third phases actioned and the hostages released.

At the time they launched a massive assault with Benjamin Netanyahu stating "it was only the beginning". Israel then stopped further food and aid being permitted in to Palestinians.

Wars can also end when both parties enter an agreement; but it's easier to blame one side.

Because Israel & The Palestinians got on famously well before Oct 7th 2023…..

Palestinians should just go back to being second class citizens and accept their lot.

(Ignore the bit about the agreement being in place to secure the release of the hostages that Israel broke.)

I don't think I've read such wilful misunderstanding of a state of affairs, and you continue to double down on it with pride despite the reality of the situation. There's new lows being achieved everyday.

Just tired of bs, it's long past time the reality of the situation was pointed out. The **** on this thread, week in and out.

You're tired of "BS" but throw out, frankly, ludicrous "solutions".

You are pointing out reality; you're just highlighting your lack of any semblance of understanding the situation.

It's been pointed out to you a few times now but you just want to ignore it and rant.

If and it is a very big If, the activist types marching are concerned about the welfare of Gazans then call for a full release and Hamas surrender otherwise it shows that they are only concerned for Hamas.

Like when there was a cease fire and the hostages were to be released in March but Israel broke it and reneged on the agreement. There was a way forward, Israel saw fit to break it.

But your also true to form in continuing your assertion that criticising Israeli military action is automatically support for Hamas.

Until Gazans love their families, peace, solidarity and neighbourliness, human dignity and rights more than they love war, this will not end. Decide or don't but they can no longer have it every way.

Again you seem to equate Gazans and Hamas as one and the same. "They love war" real is an immature viewpoint. You can reread my early summation of what your "solution" would involve; but I guess you're too "tired" of it all now.

As for "neighborliness"..how have their neighbors been treating them all these years? You can't have written that with any sincerity or else it's pure cluelessness.

Should the people of the West Bank welcome their "Neighbours" with open arms as they demolish homes and take land?

Do their "neighbours" offer them the same human dignity and rights?

Normally a war involves 2 armies fighting. Like Ukraine v Russia. When its one army invading another country killing everyone in sight they call that genocide. Thats the fact. Glad we sorted that.

People against israels actions in the conflict where they have killed at least 15k kids are not automatically anti Israeli or anti semitic. Hard to take seriously posters who still parrot this lie in the hope of just silencing legitimate criticism of israels actions.

Pretty disgusting summation, but who's surprised from some one so ill-informed.

Edit: and I'd include those that added thanks to @taratee's post as well.

World Press Photos of 2025 - one of the thousands of Palestinian child amputees, Israeli drone attacks on Beirut and a traumatised Ukrainian girl.

The Palestinian child amputee is Press Photo of the Year

These are the tragedies that some support and cheer on. Abhorrent.

No, genocide is the killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group. Israel has not been consciously or intentionally killing civilians in Gaza and it is not trying to destroy the nation or group. Civilian deaths have resulted from Hamas’ well-known tactic of using human shields and establishing bases in civilian buildings—hospitals, in particular, appear to be a preferred choice—coupled with their refusal to admit defeat, surrender, and release the hostages.

While I believe those who accuse Israel of war crimes are wrong, I can understand why some people—especially those from peaceful regions in the West—are questioning the ferocity of certain Israeli operations in Gaza. What surprises me is that the use of the word "genocide", which is unbelievably pernicious when used against Israel, the only Jewish state in the world, hasn’t been phased out, given how clearly inaccurate it is.

I don't know why I bother but tell me what threat Hamas pose now? When is the last time they caused an Israel casualty? It seems they are utterly defeated. Why is the food and medical aid stopped for innocent civilians? Do you know that breaks IHL?

This is mind-numbingly stupid again. How many times does it have to be pointed out to you the complete and utter illogical thought process you have in relation to human shields and how Israel can act when they are bombing civilian areas and facilities. You simply do not understand the meaning of the term yet continue to use it in some sick justification.

No, genocide is the killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

You better inform -

1. European Center For Human Rights
2. Human Rights Watch
3. International Human Rights Clinic
4. University Network For Human Rights
5. UN Commission of Inquiry
6. UN Report - Anatomy of a Genocide
7. UN Special Committee to investigate Israeli practices
8. Amnesty International
9. Doctors without Borders

- that their reports and findings are simply wrong - Israel is just "winning".

Why are they wrong? Because @taratee can't deal in honesty.

Israel has not been consciously or intentionally killing civilians in Gaza

They have. It's not hard but 'none so blind..'

and it is not trying to destroy the nation or group.

Despite multiple reports saying their actions specifically are consistent with this.

Civilian deaths have resulted from Hamas’ well-known tactic of using human shields and establishing bases in civilian buildings—hospitals, in particular, appear to be a preferred choice—

Again; your moronic interpretation of what constitutes 'human shields' is letting you down again.

coupled with their refusal to admit defeat, surrender, and release the hostages.

If releasing the hostages was so critical to you, why didn't Israel honour the cease fire that would have seen them returned?

I've said this directly to you but true to form you've dodged the questions.

I've also questioned your "surrender" proposal but you conveniently forget about these and flit in and out with nonsense.

While I believe those who accuse Israel of war crimes are wrong,

This is painfully ridiculous. There continued text book acts of war crimes.

How are they "wrong" in your, extremely blinkered, world?

I can understand why some people—especially those from peaceful regions in the West—are questioning the ferocity of certain Israeli operations in Gaza.

Wait, are they not just "winning"

What surprises me is that the use of the word "genocide", which is unbelievably pernicious when used against Israel, the only Jewish state in the world, hasn’t been phased out, given how clearly inaccurate it is.

Are Israel someone excluded from having that word used against them? They can behave in such a manner yet that word cannot be used against them because…..? Hers's an idea; don't commit Genocidal acts and/or war crimes and you wont have your precious feelings hurt when people highlight their actions as such.

Israeli acts have been shown to be demonstrably genocidal, yet you claim it's "inaccurate"….There's differences of opinion and then there is clear wanton ignorance and absurdity of your "opinion".

Israel have also given two fingers to the ICC/ICJ as they know they're in trouble there, but you'll tell us of their inaccuracies I'm sure….

Hamas have not been elected in the west bank, can you explain if Israel are fighting Hamas why are they killing Palestinians in the west bank. Why are they moving Palestinians from their land in the west bank. Do you know that Israel are doing that ?

Palestine don't seem to have an army (west bank). who's going to surrender, the post man or the school teacher, or the doctor.. sorry they're all dead.

Of course Israel are winning, they're not in a war, their fighting babies, children, women and ordinary men. Hamas are a terrorist group, they're long gone. Off getting money around the world so they can plan their next attack. What Israel is doing is the best recruitment for Hamas. Do you honestly think this stops when Israel has killed all the children, think again.

If Israel had a war against Hamas they would target Hamas. 500Lb bombs don't do that. Israel are trying to remove all Palestinians from Palestine… its genocide, plain and simple.

Ugh no don't say that, now he's just going to go on his tiresome old WW2 rant to (ironically) distract from his support of war crimes