Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

The Srebrenica massacre was the deliberate killing of 5,000 prisoners in a few days. The difference is that Hamas hides behind civilians and thus that the killing of civilians in the IDF operation in Gaza is incidental and thus not even a war crime, let alone genocide.

There's no comparison between the Philippines and Israel. The difference is that Israeli police officers, unlike the Filipino counterparts, do not execute unarmed suspects. Israeli opposition leader Yair Lapid condemned the ICC arrest warrants. Therefore, Lapid, if he becomes prime minister after the next general election, won't hand Netanyahu and Gallant over to the ICC - and neither would anyone else who could succeed Netanyahu as prime minister.

There's a difference between handing over accused political or military leaders to an international court that the country of which those persons are citizens and that country extraditing a citizen who is wanted in another country for actions that are crimes in the eyes of the law of the country that is seeking the extradition, e.g. the Malka Leifer case.

Pull the other one - they've been doing it for decades. A few examples -

"The UN said on Friday that 36 strikes in Gaza have killed only women and children and hundreds have hit residential buildings and tents since Israel resumed intense strikes on the Palestinian enclave on March 18. "

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20250411-un-finds-36-israeli-strikes-on-gaza-killed-only-women-and-children

" The difference is that Israeli police officers, unlike the Filipino counterparts, do not execute unarmed suspects"

"An Israeli army officer who fired the entire magazine of his automatic rifle into a 13-year-old Palestinian girl and then said he would have done the same even if she had been three years old was acquitted on all charges by a military court yesterday."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/nov/16/israel2

"Israeli troops fired more than 100 times during an attack in which they killed 15 emergency workers in Gaza, with some shots from as close as 12m (39ft) away, a forensic audio analysis of mobile phone footage commissioned by BBC Verify has found."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckg55q1w58jo

"A British UN project manager shot by an Israeli sniper was unlawfully killed, a UK inquest has concluded.

Coroner Dr Peter Dean said he was so concerned by the case and the fact 13 UN workers have died in Jenin, he will write to Prime Minister Tony Blair."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/suffolk/4534620.stm

"Two Palestinian boys have been shot dead by Israeli troops in the northern Gaza Strip, Palestinian sources say.

The children were estimated to be between eight and 13 years old. They have not yet been identified."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6712485.stm

"During the Rafah attack, the Golani troops were under the command of the reservist Armoured 14th Brigade. The 14th Brigade is part of a division led by Brig Gen Yehuda Vach, who former officers say designated an unofficial “kill zone” elsewhere in the strip which resulted in the arbitrary killings of Palestinian civilians. Soldiers also alleged Vach’s “lack of operational discipline” endangered soldiers’ lives."

Vach has also told troops “there are no innocents in Gaza”, according to an investigation by the Israeli daily Haaretz.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/12/idf-unit-killing-palestinian-paramedics-golani-brigade?fbclid=IwY2xjawJnPr5leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHojVFIQoDQD0YngBfvcugTzkOfpTI3Q3ipKsRlzO1t-vh4OmH37wpLu7tgE0_aem_RWm4OLm4GCZG223vhjP3xw

"Israeli forces killed two Palestinians who allegedly stabbed a soldier in the occupied West Bank on Thursday, as video emerged of one of the attackers being shot in the head as he apparently lay wounded on the ground. "

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/3/24/israeli-soldier-filmed-shooting-palestinian-on-ground

Why do you keep peddling this guff? Hamas is hiding behind the tens of thousands of civilians that have been killed? It makes absolutely no sense.

The fact that Hamas has been hiding behind civilians since Oct 7th is the reason many civilians have been killed - and figures given by a Hamas-run health ministry must be treated with caution.

The fact that there is "little similarity" is the reason why my comparison is an analogy. Even if the Hamas-run health ministry's death toll is true, it's still a very small percentage of the Gaza Strip's population as of 7 October 2023 and includes terrorists.

The fact that Hamas has been hiding behind civilians since Oct 7th is the reason many civilians have been killed

Israel keep the Palestinians penned in amongst Hamas and have often shelled, so-called, safe zones where they intentionally directed them to go to.

They have also targeted refugee camps continuously.

The fact that Hamas are hiding amongst the innocent does not give Israel the right to bomb them all in the manner in which they have. Israel are responsible for the innocent civilians deaths caused by indiscriminate bombing.

Edit: The actions of Soldier F in relation to the Bloody Sunday killings is ongoing; To use your "logic"; the trial should be immediately abandoned - Ok the British army killed some and injured some but sure there were IRA terrorists in the crowd somewhere right…..

So can the same sick summation be applied to the Oct 7th attack?

"It was a very small percentage of the Israeli population affected"

I'm sure if that was proposed, there's be some very quick responses as to it's stupidity.

And knowingly bombing refugee camps/safe zones/schools/hospitals etc. was done with the intention of …….?

Killing terrorists who were using those places for military purposes. International law doesn't prohibit the targeting of terrorists when they use those places for military purposes.

The recent attack on the Baptist hospital was aimed at a specific part where terrorists were based and, as stated in the following article, the IDF said it took measures to reduce civilian casualties.

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2025/0413/1507380-gaza-latest/

Killing terrorists who were using those places for military purposes.

What number of terrorists V civilians? What percentage would you be satisfied with?

Were they in the hospitals receiving treatment?

There is also the more important factor which you are happy to ignore in that Israel do not permit people to leave the Gaza Strip. This is an essential component.

International law doesn't prohibit the targeting of terrorists when they use those places for military purposes.

Except it doesn't.

The military must endeavour to remove the civilian population- individual civilians and civilian objects and take the necessary precautions to protect the civilian population under their control against the dangers resulting from military operations.

Your continues thought process whilst tellingly depraved, is also incredibly incorrect.

You also continue to assume there were terrorists using them. You expect us to treat Palestinian casualty numbers with scepticism yet you're continuously willing to accept active hospitals/schools etc. are all being used by Hamas.

The recent attack on the Baptist hospital was aimed at a specific part where terrorists were based and, as stated in the following article, the IDF said it took measures to reduce civilian casualties.

What about the rest? Israel continues to sever electric/telecom/water utilities to the Gaza Strip; how do they expect to be able to contact facilities without these?

As for those that were evacuated from that hospital; where do they go now for treatment?

I take it you're ok with the rest of the article you provided for us to demonstrate Israeli justice:

Separate strikes in the enclave today killed at least 14 Palestinians, including the head of a police station in Khan Younis, in the southern part of the Hamas-run enclave, according to Hamas and health authorities.

Six brothers were killed when an Israeli strike hit their car in Deir Al-Balah in central Gaza, medics said.

Since then, more than 50,000 Palestinians have been killed in the Israeli offensive, according to local health authorities. Much of Gaza is in ruins and most of its population has been displaced.

If what you said about killing of civilians in war was true then the killing of civilians in Western air strikes aimed at ISIS would've been found to have been a war crime - and it hasn't been.

As is stated in that article on The Hill, warning patients and health workers to leave the hospital complies with Article 19.

Just that hospital; but it stilll doesn't answer as to the others and where those displaced from that one hospital go.

As for proportionality, it's not the same when a terrorist organisation governing a territory is using a hospital for military purposes as it would have been if a recognised government had been using a hospital for military purposes. Terrorists don't have the same level of protection under the Geneva Convention as a sovereign government's military personnel. For example, the execution of combatants who were attacking in civilian clothing and were captured in the process was never a war crime.

You are conveniently ignoring the protections that the civilians should be accorded.

More pointedly, what you also fail to mention in your endeavours to convince us that Israel aren't acting outside of the Geneva Conventions is the continued use of Collective Punishment used by Israel against the civilian populace. That is explicitly a War Crime.

The war would end if the Hamas leaders in Gaza surrendered or agreed to go into exile, which Netanyahu said he is willing to do.

Go where? If they surrender how will they be treated; you and I both know it won't be humane so why would they? They have nothing to lose. Israel have created this scenario and know it isn't an option.

Who will decided who is a Hamas leader?

If the "War would end if Hamas Leaders left"; why was there continued hostilities by Israel pre Oct 7th and pre Hamas?

The accusations made against Israel in international courts are as yet unproven. The ICJ judges know their own limitations - they know that the biggest members of the UK won't forsake their own national security. After all, the judgement in favour of Nicaragua in the 1980s went nowhere.

So…Israel shouldn't worry to much about any repercussions; and then you wonder where/why terrorist groups emerge.

By the way, Hamas police personnel are still members of a terrorist organisation and so they have less protection under the Geneva Convention than even the 3rd Reich's Ordnungspolizei had.

Nope. They are police personnel under a governing body (with it's limitations). Israel were ok with Hamas governing the region up to Oct 7th. Again your claims are ineptly wrong.

I take then the others you couldn't smear with the 'terrorist' label were innocent civilians. But I await your defence of their killing.

What do you mean hiding behind civilians? Almost every building in Gaza has been destroyed, a city of two million people. 50 thousand killed. Were Hamas hiding behind them all? It makes absolutely no sense.

There's no evidence that the IDF has targeted water facilities.

As for this utter nonsense; the evidence has been widely reported if you looked or had the honesty to look.

Israel's defence minister Yoav Gallant instructed a complete siege on Gaza, which involved cutting off essential supplies such as electricity, food, water, and gas from the outset.

Another example of specific water facilities; Israel targeted the desalination plant in the Al-Zaytoun neighbourhood killing of a young man who was filling a gallon with water, plus the wounding of other individuals. The station, provided water to 50,000 people sustained significant damage after being bombed by the Israeli army with a GBU missile.

The per capita share of water in the Gaza Strip has decreased by 97% due to the extensive destruction of water infrastructure by Israel. They have targeted and taken over water desalinisation and sewage treatment plants, why; because it will translate to more deaths without having to fire a bullet or missile.

Now you're lurching from being incorrect to just telling outright demonstrable lies.