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Trolley numbers down significantly on Paddys weekend - the fix was rostering...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,425 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I agree with surgeries 7 days a week but.

    They have to go somewhere after surgery and sometimes for long periods. So the equipment is no good if we don't have more recovery beds and most importantly staff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Not disagreeing with that, but if we also have consultants discharging patients on Saturdays, Sundays and Bank Holidays, we would have more bedspace available.

    Furthermore, running day clinics seven days a week instead of five doesn't require more recovery beds as they are discharged on the same days unless there are complications.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,425 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    No but day clinics 7 days does require more staff and Gloster has said there won't be more staff.



  • Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Step down facilities

    Minor injury units

    Pediatric MRI

    ICU beds

    High Dependency

    Vs a sound bite for Paddy's Weekend from a government desperate for a win



  • Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just an addendum

    3 nurses have collapsed, on the job, in the CUH theatre in the last 2 weeks...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,272 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Another addendum

    12 farmers were killed on Irish farms last year

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How on earth is that comparable?

    Farms are notorious as industrial settings with lax safety.

    Nurses collapsing at work should never be normalised



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,757 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    You would need to add more context, is 3 more or less than usual, are numbers similar for doctors, what are the numbers like for other countries per capita, by itself, it's completely meaningless.

    Nursing is a very stressful job where you are exposed to all sorts of different people often at their worst and are having to deal with situations that would cause most people to faint and/or collapse. 3 collapsing doesn't sound particularly out of the ordinary given the stresses and that we have 80,000 nurses or thereabouts.

    We're also quite high on the nurses per capita scale (2021 numbers), are our nurses more or less overworked than other countries? We seem quite admin heavy as well, do we need to train nurses better to handle theatre situations? Were these nurses working longer hours to contribute to the collapse, did they all catch the same virus at the same time etc. etc.

    Nurse per 1,000 population by country | Statista



  • Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The usual is 0.

    They are theatre nurses, they are dealing with people in surgery not "at their worst".

    Train them better to handle theatre situations? How fecking patronising. There is a very strict training regime which many wash out of. Nurses there are experienced in far more than any Joe Public could stomach or deal with, or do you think that they just grab nurses from the wards to do rotations in theatre or something?

    It's a single unit, not 80,000 staff strong.

    They're all working in an area massively understaffed which in under threat of rolling closures do to said safe staffing levels.

    And no, the theatre isn't crippled with a "virus"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,757 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Again, no evidence provided which makes it looks like ranting. What caused the collapse? What differed at CUH to cause them to collapse? Are you assuming it was caused by overwork despite Ireland having a good nurse to population ratio?

    There is no patronising, just lack of details and this is your third post lacking those details for whatever reason.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Raichų


    I mean proper order to have consultants working weekends- it’s ridiculous how the country can’t get sick on weekends or bank holidays.

    I mean where I live the pharmacies are closed Sundays and bank holiday Mondays. They open one chemist, which changes each week, for 2 hours BH’s & Sundays.

    No doctors of course bar out of hours GP who has a penchant to send you to local ED to cover their own arse because they don’t have any access to your records and history to be able to make a proper decision.

    Health service is fantastic in general for treatment (not so much for waiting times..)- but on weekends forget it. My Mrs is pregnant for example and considered a risky pregnancy that requires a close eye so she is in to see the doctors and midwives every week in hospital which has meant every week for the past 8 weeks I’ve had to take a day off work to bring her to the apps.

    I am of course happy to bring my wife to her appointments and only want to make sure her and baby are safe- but if they ran clinics on a Saturday even I wouldn’t have to miss work so often.



  • Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Bull crap. People collapsing at work is not normal.

    The theatre nurses are not normal nurses, they can't be swapped in



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,757 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    There's lots of reasons people can collapse, you have shown nothing.

    That which is presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.



  • Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How many people have collapsed in your place of work in the past 2 weeks?

    How about 2 months, 2 years? I'm betting it's less than 3

    1 is an incident, 2 is worrying, 3 is a pattern.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 763 ✭✭✭eastie17


    is there a source reference for these collapses?



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Raichų


    instead of crying about it do you want to perhaps explain why it happened? If you don’t know can you just say that?

    Without any evidence here we are talking about nurses collapsing in theatre yet somehow I can’t find an iota of evidence to support the claim; so if you’d be as kind?



  • Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Because random people get access to their detailed medical records… even if I was told why they collapsed there's no way I'd post it.

    Because they are overworked? There's not enough staff to cover existing workload. There was a senior hospital staff meeting last week to discuss staffing and potential closures.

    Nurses, being nurses, also feeling pressure to return to work when unwell.

    It's not going to be advertised (even the union would need permission to do that and individual nurses are not going to do that).

    Again, how many people have collapsed on the job where you work. Can you ever think of 3? In 2 weeks??

    The common factor is the workplace



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    No, I'm sorry, but where are you hearing about three nurses collapsing? Did it not make the news?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,757 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    You have presented no evidence they are overworked. We have more nurses than most countries, what you're claiming, without evidence, is that other nurses aren't working as hard. It's all getting a bit bizarre now.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Raichų


    Right so no proof at all to back up claims three nurses passed out in a hospital surgery theatre.

    Moving on then.



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