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Beef price tracker 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,545 ✭✭✭DBK1


    Your third paragraph is the most important for lads to read and understand because this is where the mistakes are being made. This is something I’m preaching about on here for a long time.

    The weight loss you got there from yard to mart is perfectly normal and I’ve often seen it higher than that, especially in the likes of birr during busy sales with only one ring where bullocks dropped off at 7 in the morning might not be sold until 3 or 4 in the evening.

    That weight loss is the contents of their stomachs and their dung and urine, it’s not the meat off their backs. This is the important bit and this is the figures the factory men all understand. It’s the reason an O grade animal that would kill 50% of their yard weight will kill 52-53% of their mart weight. Or why a well fed heavy U grade animal that you’d expect to kill 58% of yard weight will kill 62 or 63% of their mart weight.

    That few percent extra at €8 a kilo could be €250-€300 on a 750 kilo U grade animal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭Aly Daly


    Commission on a load would add up to a very significant fee for sure Anto,some men on here are adamant that fit cattle should only be presented at the factory & never in the mart,I only use the factory however on the one occasion I sent heavy friesans 930kg to the mart they did very well,the problem is that I was told the cattle would have made €150 more in the factory which was annoying to say the least,in my opinion there was alot of p's in my 12 cattle so I don't know,I should say that similar weighted cattle that were sent to the factory that autumn did not make €150 over or anything like it & some made less than the mart price but all animals are individuals & the mart cattle were sold in 2 lots of six.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 jackass111


    Does this break down Mart vs Factory appropriately?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,207 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Not quite that much. 3% on a 750kg carcass is 22.5kgs and 180 euro@8/ kg. 2% is 15kgs 120 euro @8/kg.

    Weight loss out of a shed is not too bad. Weight loss out of a field is much higher gut fill is different.

    A lot would have depend on grading at the time. A few years ago grading decreased as the year went on. Also weight in the autumn is different to summer weight more water In autumn grass. Them big friesians can go backwards on autumn grass. I presume you allowed for different base price.

    TThere Is no right or wrong answers. One thing for sure the factory is no place for underfinished cattle. However neither is the .art a lot of times

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭Aly Daly


    The cattle were sold in the same week so quoted base price applied,cattle here are weighed off our lorry at a local grain store the day before sale,I should definitely be weighing more often & invest in a scales.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,088 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Also there is limestone land I think in south Roscommon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,545 ✭✭✭DBK1


    A U grade bullock in Birr mart could have up to 5% difference.

    Even at 4% it’s 30kgs so €240 at €8 per kg.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 814 ✭✭✭degetme


    I see this in the cull cow ring in kilmallock. Some cow's based on 48% of live weight make in the main less than factory price. Odd 1s can make more. The boys around the ring have them divided up and claimed. A fat fr cow last Monday weight 710 made 2140euro. 6.28factory price when this week 6.90 for ps is available to non regulars



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,686 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    There is a bit of a toss of a coin in which is better. Where I am located, we are lucky in that the distance to 3 of the meat plants is close enough plus you have 3 small operators who are fairly competitive. The local mart would also have a strong Northern Ireland customer base, these lads are very strong for good U grade "fancy" cattle near fit. One of the factories would also be kinder grading FR cattle than the other two. In reality you would need to judge each animal on its own merits and then decide mart or factory & then which factory to try and maximise your return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 294 ✭✭grass10


    Uk beef price well up for next week some factories up 15 pence, they are hitting 9 euro approx lads need to stop listening to factory spin stories supply is going to be serious low for the next 3/4 months and refuse to give cattle for the next few weeks and call the factories bluff all they are doing is trying to get cheap beef



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭epfff




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 294 ✭✭grass10


    Information is the key to power, contacts in the UK and UK factories email price lists to suppliers and prime cattle being quoted at 7.20 now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    There is a difference in price for maybe the possibility of the cost getting to the UK market by lorry and boat which has become more expensive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭Hershall


    7.60 blks 7.70 heifers base price next week locally flat pricing off the table at the moment they were paying 8.20 flat for continentals. He said numbers will dictate if they have to pay it again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,851 ✭✭✭White Clover


    Im sure you know this, but, If you're not under pressure, tell him you will hold them until they come to their senses again. And you won't sell for 8.20 flat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭nearlybreak


    factories sorted for cattle next week after that they are very worried they have flushed out cattle by trying to pull them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭nearlybreak


    mart numbers going to tumble in the next few weeks too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,207 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    At some stage prices are going to stabilise. I remember commenting 8-10 weeks ago that flat prices significantly above base prices were not in farmers interest in the longterm. This was because it allows processors to drop prices rapidly by shutting g down flat prices and reducing base prices by 10-20c and then dropping them.

    Processors may be happy with supply, new contract are now in place with retailers with probably reduced volumes and different pricing mechanisms.

    A couple friends sof my wife were over a few nights ago. It got to the price e of groceries and meat in particular. They all commented how how expensive food shopping has got and .eat in particular. I said as a farmer beef was not half dear enough tongue in cheek. They took it in good form. However one of the ladies commented that they do a family event once a year and buy a large roast. They order it in advance off the butcher. Last year it was about 80 euro, this year it's over 120 euro. She said she get 3-4 legs if lamb for it

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,851 ✭✭✭White Clover


    I agree with your point that flat prices well above base price is not in farmers interest longterm. However, we do not know anything for sure about new contracts or volumes. All we know for sure is that the price in our main market is continuing to rise. This is enough to tell us that it is the factories that are making a concerted effort to halt any further price rises.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭148multi


    She'd be doing very well to get 2 legs of lamb for €120.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,666 ✭✭✭50HX


    Nice legs of lamb in Tesco at 9euro/kg with club card at the minute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,207 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    25-33 euroʻ would be the bracket legs if lamb fall into

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭hopeso


    It must be the front legs………………………..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,207 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I wouldn't send either of you to do the shopping. Legs of lamb are in the 2.2- 3.2kg bracket. Decent one are from 2.8kgs up. You will buy legs a lot of the year for 10/ kg and below. Lamb because of its fat content freezes well. Even at 12-14/ kg you be getting 3 legs for 120 euro

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭massey 265


    Seems to be a tightening of the beef price this week..The short working weeks of this week and next seem to be working in factories favour as the say that they ars booked out this week and next.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭nearlybreak


    they are fair active buying forward stores today for there feedlots



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,686 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    Popped my head into the mart there in Carnaross for a few minutes. The factory agents are fairly active around ring, €4.50 + /kg for anything with flesh but if they tick the QA requirements then you are looking at €5/kg (Seen €3590 for 705.00Kg) The agents are literally standing on top of one another try to buy, they are driving them all into a good price but then don't seem to annoyed if they don't get them. One agent told me they are giving €8.10 flat this week to farmers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 514 ✭✭✭agriman27


    I heard from the horses mouth that my local factory is only killing 3 days a week and not even full capacity on those days, they can’t get cattle. So hold tight if selling!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭nearlybreak


    seems to be the case with them all I’m told two weeks time they’ll have a different tune



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