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Sales people calling to your door

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,712 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Huh? You're way over-thinking it…..Someone I don't know knocks, generally I don't open the door. Nothing more nothing less. If it's really important to the knocker, he/she will do what they need to engage me. Maybe drop something in the letter box



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,458 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    What's your Plan B if an actual Jehovahs Witness knocks?
    :)

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Site Banned Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Raichų


    just a general warning on thread to any and all:


    open eir will NEVER call unannounced asking to “inspect” a phone line. They may call to you unexpectedly looking for access to a rear garden etc for aerial drop fibre installs (usually KN Circet)- this can be verified by checking ID and confirming with the property concerned (ie if it’s a neighbour you can ask them).



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    As I said already, I'm wary about NOT answering the door because while that might be fine for ignoring Eir salespeople, i don't want travelling tradesmen thinking that the house is unoccupied.

    Another advantage to a Ring camera or doorbell.

    You can answer your door from anywhere.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭kc78


    I asked a caller for a flyer with the offers a while back, he said he didn't have any that it was cheaper for the company to send someone door to door, not a job I would want.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But why don't you open the door ?

    What is it that's preventing you from opening the door and finding out why someone has rang the doorbell or knocked.

    If they keep ringing or knocking do you just sit there waiting for them to drop something in the letter box or go away?

    Is there a threshold of knocking or ringing that prompts you to open the door?

    How has the simple act of opening the door to someone and engaging with them or not become such an inconvenience that you don't even open the door?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,712 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Because I don’t generally open the door to strangers. Not that difficult to understand.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But why don't you?

    That is my question.

    Are you afraid that you will get assaulted?

    Are you afraid that you will get scammed?

    Are you so arrogant to think that the person at the door and why they are there couldn't possibly be of any value to you?

    Are you so arrogant as to think that you're time is too important for their attention?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Their time is their time to do with what they please. They don’t need give any explanation as to what they choose to do with it, especially in their own home.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That's fine.

    But what I'm talking about is a bigger question.

    Why as a society have we regressed into ourselves so much that someone will not open the door to someone they don't immediately know.

    What is it about our time that is so precious that we can't answer the door to someone ?

    Are we so arrogant as to think that that person will only waste our time?

    Are we so fragile as to think that that person will do us harm or scam us ?

    We can hide behind tech like video doorbells and be happy about being in control of our time while a potential good offer goes a stray or the person with the broken down car down the road continues to another house to try and seek help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Your a very friendly one aren't you? If being 'fragile' means you try not to be scammed then everyone on the planet must be 'fragile'.

    Potential good offers are not just around. If I want something I'll look for it.

    We havn't regressed, we simply have moved away from excessive friendliness, ever been you america? Some parts there - The people are friendly to a level of creepy that makes your skin crawl.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Raichų


    that is not the reason at all- door reps are the most expensive channel in any business regarding sales.

    The main reason I know of is door reps with flyers would quickly turn to agents of An Post. Rather than converse with a person they will just drop leaflets into each letterbox and say they spoke with them!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,967 ✭✭✭BrianD3




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123347867#Comment_123347867

    Just answering the door doesn't mean you'll get scammed, common sense should prevail.

    I got a great deal from BGE a while back at the door, a deal I would not have been aware of had I not answered the

    Another time a turned a guy away who was trying to sell gutter cleaning.

    And I have been to America, I lived there for 6 years.

    My opinion over those years is that for the most part the friendless they display is genuine.

    I've posted about this experience more than once here.

    Twice in America my car broke down.

    On both occasions after a few minutes I was turning people away who were offering help. I had plenty of help from the first few people who pulled over to help straight away.

    I broke down once here in Ireland.

    I was an hour on the side of the road.

    In that hour a single car stopped to offer assistance.

    Everyone else just looked and kept on driving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Esse85


    Most D2D sellers are just crap at their job and we get no value from speaking to them.

    They haven't been trained properly, they stink of commission breath, you can sense they are desperate, hate their job and have only been in the role 5 minutes. They pitch at you and don't listen.

    That's why I wouldn't engage with most.

    The times I have bought were from reps who talk to me as a human, polite, upfront, have great product/industry knowledge, teach me something I didn't know that'll save me time/money, ask good questions that force me to think and then shut the F up and listen to my answer. Unfortunately, this type is very rare and they usually go on to work in business 2 business type sales.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,458 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Wouldnt be wise to pull any stunts in the States likely to end up on the wrong end of a weapon. Either from a 'concerned' citizen or cops who respond promptly when called and scum are afraid of.

    Here you are on your own.

    Common sense.

    Its obvious to anyone living in Ireland why people have grown warier of strangers, including on the doorstep.

    There's been a huge increase in all kinds of scammers, on the doorstep, streets, phone or online.

    Something multiple posters have put to you.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    America isn't like that, believe me.

    People have been selling door to door for centuries, there are no more or no less nefarious actors involved now as there has been in the past.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,458 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    What assistance do you expect random stoppers to provide that isnt at the end of a mobile phone in Ireland?

    Could it be more Americans have mechanical know how? Or where it happened was more remote and no other help likely? Or vehicles were simpler? Or know if they use force against a scammer they will be backed up by police and law and neighbours they know? You are a million miles away from justifying the kinda assertions you are throwing out.

    As for your statement about what has happened over the 'centuries' on doorsteps. Thats been pulled out of nowhere and is about as credible. Were there many thiefs in the 1950s or 1980s in Dublin pretending to be from the ESB and forcing their way into houses to rob them? I see Garda warnings about such activity for a few years now but it seems to be a recent phonomenon.

    You have been given multiple reasons from multiple posters why they are warier or just dont engage with strangers on the doorsteps. If you dont get it by now maybe you arent gonna.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Raichų


    wtf kinda shite are you talking?

    Tell me you’ve never been to the US without saying it much. 🤣



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭deandean


    I get average three callers per week.

    Mostly 'energy providers'.

    I don't tell them to FCUK OFF because they have a crappy job - it could be one of my kids doing that job.

    I let them finish their opening gambit and I tell them nicely 'I don't want to talk to you'.

    /visit.

    But they keep calling…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,458 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I have been to the US. So thats a swing and a miss.

    Its obvious you are going to argue a certain line. You have skin in the game.

    Now Ive no reason to doubt that your own conduct was above board.

    But there's all kinds of scammers out there across all forms of interaction. I didnt just mention door to door.

    The filter costs to filter between the above board and the scammers doesnt justify the reward for many. Depending on introvert v extrovert, the personality, build, age, gender of the person, living arrangements who would be opening the door.

    All kinds of societal changes underlying it - everything from household size, police responses, lack of genuine door to door interactions.

    Once upon a time a regular weekly caller collecting premiums was a thing.

    The reasons why people are warier are obvious to anyone who actually wants to understand why and not use it as an opportunity for brainddead rants.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Raichų


    you’re then an overly paranoid individual if you think that you’ll tap a door and end up shot in the face then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,458 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Its only paranoia if they're not out to get you. People have been robbed and scammed by strangers they opened the door to. Doesnt make all callers scammers but it is a recognised risk.

    I didnt say anything about people opening the door and getting shot by a stranger. Another swing and a miss.

    If you cant understand any reasons why people are getting warier of cold callers and strangers at this stage it just comes down to not wanting to and/or having skin in the game.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's not about what assistance they can give, it's that they stop to see if they can help.

    As it turned out my alternator was gone and I needed a jump start to get me further down the road to a garage, and one of the people who stopped had jump leads.

    As for door to door sales people over the decades as I said there were good and bad, just like today

    I remember travellers (we called them tinkers or itinerants) back in the 70s and 80s selling rugs and my mother putting the run on them.

    We also bought our one and only set of encyclopedia from a door to door sales man back in the 70s.

    If my parents had taken the attitude of "I'm not opening the door to people I don't know" I'd be a lot less informed young lad than I was.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Raichų


    I am very glad to not live my life in fear of being gunned down as I open my front door.

    Gwan so



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Raichų


    the mother did once actually buy a luvly tree peece sweet off a traveller back in “the day”.

    My nanny used to buy potatoes from “the spud man”- he’d travel around the village and surrounds selling spuds door to door.

    Door to door salespeople certainly have been around decades. At least 30 years anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,967 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Engaging with door to door callers rarely results in any benefit for the occupier. Door bell rings unexpectedly and 99% of the time it's going to be a salesperson, a travelling scammer, Jehovahs witnesses, beggars, a charity, the TV licence inspector, someone selling crap paintings etc

    On plenty of occasions I have allowed salespeople from the likes of phonewatch or bin companies to make their pitch and maybe once or twice the deal was genuinely good. I still didn't take them up on it as I don't like making decisions on my doorstep. If they would make their pitch and then give me a referral link to a website to use in my own time then that would be ok. But no, they want you to sign up there and then using FOMO as a tactic.

    As I said already, those sort of sales methods should be a thing of the past when people didn't have telephones, the internet or cars and someone calling to the house could possibly be of benefit to the occupier.

    When i was working i regularly dealt with salesmen when purchasing goods and consumables but never once did one rock up unannounced, why's that? Is it because people's work time is deemed more valuable than their personal time - when it should be the opposite.

    Someone knocking on doors claiming that their car has broken down may have been reasonable 40 years ago but now is highly suspicious given that almost everyone has a mobile phone and breakdown assist on their insurance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 316 ✭✭babyducklings1


    Your home is your space. People are busy and don’t need door to door sellers. We have shops, businesses, online shopping, advertising etc. . It’s just rude to be calling to people’s homes trying to sell something.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 846 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Its especially rude when I've already had a million ads online try to sell me crap so when someone comes around in the evening trying to sell in person.

    Doesn't help that as other posters have pointed out, 99% are scammers whether it be religions,travellers, scammers, TV liscense inspector or any other thing.

    Its outdated. For all the positives and negatives of the internet - its given the ability to shop anywhere anytime. If people want something nowadays they can find it.

    Buying sweets/potatos/milk off your lad who comes around every week isn't really what I have in mind when I hear 'door to door salesman'. They are routinely there and all that means is spuds won't be bought when doing your big weekly shop.



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