Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

Coolock said no !

Congrats to the locals on their victory.

Nail on the head. Some here seem to think subversion is reasonable when it applies to minorities. I think such acts would be more likely to fragment society and build serious resentment.

I hate to use the term but the 'MSM' are slow on reporting. Its over. Its not happening.

The difference with the 40s,50s etc is that the population number was stable and we could plan accordingly. Now we have got to cope with c.20 k arriving annually while we are told to expect more arrivals due to climate change. It’s a completely different scenario.

Did we have 20k arriving annually in the 50s etc? 100k over 5 years and likely more and that’s not counting the number of Irish people looking for housing. How many houses do you think we can build over the next five years to cope?

So, it's just asylum seekers that are the issue then? The ones who have to live in sh1thole old factories and hotel rooms?

There's a level of laisse faire-ism in Ireland that had led to lots of problems. For example 20 years ago the health system was very poor, but no one with ever thought it was serious enough to take effective action. We also have extremely high public sector pay, because there wasn't the appetite to get value for money. Everyone knew that Gardai were cancelling penalty points wholesale for friends/family/acquaintances, but rather than tackle this the then Commissioner came out and called whistleblowers 'disgusting'.

I think we have had something similar on immigration. For most of the 21st century the level has been way too high for a country of our size. At some level everyone knows it, and every couple of weeks we get new statistics telling us that house prices are rising and rents are at an outrageous level.

But still no one wants to acknowledge that the level of immigration is too high and policies need to be introduced to address it. That'd be commonsense, but our leaders find it easier to say that St Patrick was an immigrant, or our health service has a lot of immigrants working in it, or the population isn't even as high as it was in the Famine, or that people who say that the level of immigration is too high are racist.

Did I say that? You quoted how we built houses back in the 50s etc and I said it’s a completely different scenario now but you didn’t answer that. Leaving aside asylum seekers we have lots of foreign workers we didn’t have back years ago. I have no problem with those, I work in the health service so I know exactly how much we need them. My issue is we have to spend so much money coping with applications from the likes of Albania, Georgia etc

God be with the days no one outside of the refugee industry had heard of family reunification eh? It's the gift that keeps on giving ( giving taxpayers money realistically!)

Seemingly we should be importing the best from developing countries to ensure they can't properly develop as a country and we get cheap labour.

Exploiting developing countries is someway e progressive and a good thing.

People seeking asylum are leaving their country because they have a fear of persecution in their home country, primarily based on their race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion. They often flee conflicts, violence, or human rights abuses, seeking safety and protection in another country. So educating them in their home country wouldn't make much difference would it?

Other immigrants to this country are either UK or EU citizens, we hardly need to educate them.

People on visas here are usually working or on student visas. Not sure what educating them in their own country would do.

I do not understand what you're trying to say here. I didn't claim just 20k arrive here. Where did I claim 1 in 5 violent crimes are committed by non Irish

Sorry wrong poster - it was Goldengirl. (Not who made the original claim, but who said 1 in 5 violent criminals was the same proportion as non Irish in the general population).

And since you didn't say that, the rest is irrelevant to your posts. My mistake.

I didn’t say that, I just said it was a factor we didn’t have to deal with in the 50s you mentioned with house building when IRELAND wasn’t an attractive destination for the worlds poor back then. But you’re probably right, we need to ramp up building more houses as the numbers arriving here will only increase and there are only so many office blocks and county hotels we can use.

Hmmm, I don't think this will age well at all. You and a couple of fellow travellers accusing posters of repeating out and out lies and untrue "facts." So let's take a look at this and see is it reported anywhere else rather than just some random Telegram page shall we?

Reuters - Germanys incoming government agrees to get tougher on illegal migration.

"BERLIN, April 9 (Reuters) - Germany's future government of conservatives and centre-left Social Democrats on Wednesday agreed on measures aimed at curbing illegal migration, including rejecting asylum seekers at borders, enabling deportations to Syria and suspending family reunions.The parties want to suspend family reunification for people with a so-called subsidiary protection status for two years and to end all federal admissions programmes for refugees and not establish new programmes in the future, according to the coalition agreement document."

That seems to put the lie to your statement: "It's very clear from the actual links to real media linked, that Germany are NOT stopping their refugee programs and it is temporarily suspended while a new government is being formed." Unless you know more about German coalition negotiations than Reuters, Deutsche Welle (Germanys International Broadcaster), The New York Times, CNN, BBC, The Economist and even the Guardian?

This isn't a pop at you, and actually I have some sympathy for you. It must be exhausting to continually argue an increasingly untenable position when uncomfortable facts are increasingly being confirmed by government ministers and major news organisations, I'm not including RTE in this of course. We all know the phrase about people in glass houses etc. Sometimes it might be better for mental health to go outside, enjoy the sun and take your shoes off and walk in the grass. I know that's what I'm going to do.