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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,073 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Two types of men are disproportionately responsible for murder in this country. Foreigners and people with previous criminal convictions.

    If you deport the unemployed/gig economy foreigners and imprison the criminals (particular those with priors for drugs and assault), you would instantly make a huge dent into the murder rate in this country.

    Femicide is a policy decision that is pushed by Marxists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,372 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Actually men have made this country safer for women. Men.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,372 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Really? Not the ones that are killing them that's for sure. Most murdered women are killed by men. Usually men they know. Don't know how you can claim otherwise



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,978 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    People arguing that immigrant men are shouldn’t be here because they’re likely to kill women is as silly as arguing that immigration hasn’t given Ireland a housing crisis.

    It’s such a shame that we don’t discuss it with reason and not try and introduce these ridiculous points.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,841 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Well stop then .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    So are you suggesting the arrears should be waived or they pay no rent and ramp up social house building regardless . Migrants are more likely to be dependent on social housing and there is an influx of 80k Ukrainians to accommodate. You don't seem to understand a lot of the time .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    I asked the question about the effect of immigration on housing in your earlier post that stated it had none . This has now been debated .

    Post edited by rgossip30 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    969 cases rejected a backlog of 14557 to end of 2023 and 1077 new asylum applications in February 2024 alone ,not impressive!!



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    You’re great at arguing with things I didn’t say. It’s almost a talent.

    I don’t understand half of your posts. That’s correct. They’re often missing punctuation or structured in an odd way. So I ask for clarification. Again, you’ve failed to clarify. So I still don’t understand what you meant by “I’m sure you care”. Wouldn’t it just be easier to tell me that go through this?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,260 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Mr. Trump can you take your billions back before our idiot NGO's do any more damage to our country - thanks in advance. Up to 60k a year grant for 3 years, only stipulation is no Irish need apply.

    And who have spearheading this initiative? Dr. Ebun herself - we sincerely hope you have been suitably enumerated for this work Dr. Ebun - we are not worthy!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    What exactly is your problem here?

    That a social enterprise might be run an immigrant.

    Please give me one reason why this is a problem?

    Other than having a problem with immigrants.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Not just any migrant, one with a massive chip on her shoulder, who boarders on racism towards Irish people and topped off with a serious case of entitlment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,260 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Would you have a problem if a social enterprise scheme was launched and the main stipulation was only Irish people are allowed apply Robbie?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    So you are against a scheme to help migrants involved in community initiatives because you don't like one particular individual.

    Someone sure has a huge chip on their shoulder and I'm not sure it's who you think it's.

    This is an example of iniatives where immigrants are giving back their time to their new communities in Ireland and you are angry.

    I think we can all make our own minds up on what the real reason for your anger might be.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    There are loads of community iniatives I can't get involved in due to age (youth groups, old age support groups) due to geographic reasons ( regional initiates) there are social schemes for people from disadvantages families my children will not qualify for.

    There are schemes for disabilities, there are schemes based on sex. None of these are a problem to me.

    But being an immigrant is a problem to others.

    Which is interesting and scary when you think what that means.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,260 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Very good but unfortunately doesn't answer my question.

    Would you have an issue if a scheme was launched and the main stipulation was Irish only can apply?

    Is a yes or no answer really Robbie



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭prunudo


    My post was in relation to your first line, "What exactly is your problem here?

    That a social enterprise might be run an immigrant."

    But seeing as you bring it up, yes I do have a problem with a scheme that is only aimed at one subset of people, because that we are told is discrimination.

    This is Ireland, and I make no excuses for saying I don't want our tax money to help those that here a wet week over those that have lived here all their lives.

    Services up and down the country are at breaking point, yet we have schemes pushed by grifters like Ebun milking the system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    This!

    Many of us have been screaming this from the rooftops for the last 2 years, including Pat Kenny. The Green Party wanted to have an open doors policy for migration yet decrease our carbon emissions! Laughable. Why does nobody in Government stand up and ask HOW??

    Now county councilors are being told to do whatever it takes to rezone lands in their areas. Indeed the Govt has said it will go over the heads of county planners(because of course Government know best!)

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/special-powers-to-force-the-rezoning-of-land-for-housing-will-see-houses-built-closer-to-town-centres/a620864590.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭engineerws


    Edit - I looked at rethink Ireland

    Two funds open.

    https://rethinkireland.ie/open-funds/

    Education and cohesion. Neither to do with migrant entrepreneurs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,278 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    When people say we need to build all these houses to accommodate people coming here each year.

    Do they not realize their are 500,000 adults living at home that should be getting a house before anyone rocking up here who are not real asylum seekers, 80% I thought I read Martin said.

    The reason this has gone on without much visibility for so long is we have such high ownership of houses where adults can live at home.

    When people say we just need to build more do they realize that lads in their twenties and thirties are going to Australia and we don't have the people to build all these houses like we had a few decades ago.

    Life is not like a game of Sims where you magic up houses and resources such las hospitals overnight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭tom23


    They don’t care about the 500k living at home,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,552 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Ebun Joseph is a proven grifter.

    She was offering training courses on how not to be racist that had such a terrible lack of interest that she ended up offering huge discounts just to get people to pay attention to it.

    Now she's getting paid taxpayers money to run her race grift full time.

    Money for old rope.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭tom23


    like those old racist ads in england No dogs, No Irish… No Irish need apply,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,372 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I don't think anyone has said we need to build more to just accommodate people coming here.

    There are thousands of homeless people and as you say thousands more that cannot move out of their childhood homes. There is a housing crisis in this country that has been a long time in the making. That's why we need to build



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,278 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    We need to build is simplistic nonsense that has no place in reality.

    Decades ago we were able to build 60,000 houses a year, now we don't have the workers to get anywhere near that.

    Even if in some fantasy land we could build 60,000 houses a year, that is nearly a decade to build for the current number looking for housing before we can look at housing others.

    It looks like we are going to build 35k houses a year and have 20k mostly fake asylum seekers while having over a 500,000 backlog currently.

    Tell me in reality how we currently continue taking in that number a year, build that number a year and sort out that huge backlog.

    We need to build is nonsense, tell me what that means in reality to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    What a really silly question.

    Why would I have a problem with a suitable scheme having a requirement for someone to be an Irish citizen.

    🤣

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    They are all separate issues and looking for one solution to them all is futile.

    We need to increase building. Whether we get rid of the immigrants or not.

    We need to improve processing of applicants for asylum in Ireland.

    And at a European level we need to agree a sustainable model for immigration and a solution for repatriation for failed applicants from within the Schengen Open border model.

    We also have the issue of the Common travel area to deal with

    Blaming immigrants and hating foreigners doesn't actually fix any of those issues!

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,135 ✭✭✭Damien360


    surely you can see even the optics of a well funded scheme directed only at one subset of people is discriminatory to anyone else. Switch that around and see how it looks. A scheme to give a grant, which is not repayable as it’s not a loan, to someone who has literally just rocked up with no connection to the country seems off to put it mildly. I would think having a taxable work history should be a method that captures each subset of people as eligible .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,070 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Its not just the 60k we're way short on, it's the infrastructure to support this. The government may want 6m by 2030 or 7m by 2040, but we are so far behind in building the services, infrastructure and employment to support the population increase its laughable.



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