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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    I'm saying if the centre doors are blocked then surely it would be common sense for the buggy user to get out at the front.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    But what do you then if the bus is full and there are people standing in the corridor, how do you squeeze pass with a buggy?

    Been there, done that, operating buggies on Dublin Bus is not fun!

    Don't get me wrong, I get what you are saying, but if you are stressed and tired parent, lacking sleep, sometimes common sense goes out the door.

    I will say, I think the way London Bus and other cities use the middle door is much more sensible design then our approach. If you stop and think about it forcing wheelchairs and buggies squeeze through from the front door really doesn't make sense. It is a legacy of the poor single door operating model of (mostly) the past.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭john boye


    Not doubting your logic but an awful lot of bus stops would need modification if we were to move the ramp to the centre door. As it is, a lot of them aren't even set up for foot passengers exiting through the centre door.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Yes and that should be fixed anyway regardless. I hate stepping out onto mud at some stops.

    In London at such stops they handle this by telling the wheelchair user to wait, board new passengers first, then pull the bus forward to operate the middle door ramp for the wheelchair user at the stop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8 Eduard_The_2nd


    Anyone has any idea on when the construction on the Bray bus corridor might start?

    It is anyhow gonna take years to be fully completed but wondering on when they will get a grip on doing that, would definitely ease some traffic going into Bray after completion (but will be hell during)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,712 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    It hasn’t got through the period during which a Judicial Review could be lodged yet - so no one can give you an answer. They will only be doing 3-4 CBCs at any one time.

    The DCC Traffic Department indicated in documents for the DCC council meeting that after the Liffey Valley and Ballymun/Finglas CBCs (both tendering now and due to start in Q4), the Swords and Tallaght/Clondalkin schemes are anticipated to be the next to be tendered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    The PA and I think the EW has a manual ramp at the centre doors.

    Manual ramps are quite common in most of the UK outside of London and on the continent. They wouldn't fly here as afaik DB policy is that drivers can't leave the cab whilst in service unless it's an emergency.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Good to know. Though at least some London Bus have electric ramps in the middle door, no need for the driver to get out:

    The following is a longer but even better video as it shows an actual wheel chair user using both front door only single deckers and the double deckers and he describes his experience of both:

    The double decker seems much better then how we do it. I'm surprised disability groups don't call for this setup here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I hope this is on topic….

    Anyone know if the proposed connection to the Liffey Valley bus hub/interchange at the centre (from N4) has made any progress or is it out for tender yet etc.? I don't see anything resembling works like that at the moment.

    I'm sure I read (probably here) that a new bridge was to be constructed near the Johnson and Johnson offices (I think) to make the connection to the hub more efficient or something.

    As it is, the trek from the hub to the N4 bus stops on both sides of the carriageway is a joke. You'd need a packed lunch to get you there! But I know they are working on some solution. I hope!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,592 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    All TFL buses have the ramp at the rear doors except single door single deckers like the one in the video. Most of the single decker buses have centre doors in London it's only the shorter ones that only have the front doors.

    The GAI streetlites are awful for wheelchair users very tight for a wheelchair to get on one.

    I can't see the NTA going for buses with the ramp at the centre doors anytime soon. If the entire bus can't get parallel to the kerb the ramp can't be deployed. Also the driver has more control over the ramp if it's at the front door and more risk of an accident/claims if it's at the centre doors. Even with a warning buzzer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,880 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Do the EA's have their WC ramp at the front doors or middle doors?

    How do wheelchairs users find them when they get to board or alight these buses at their stops?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,589 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    wtf has any of this got to do with Bus Connects??

    take it to here: https://www.boards.ie/categories/bus-enthusiasts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,744 ✭✭✭john boye


    I would say that bus stop infrastructure and on the buses themselves very much fits this thread. The granular spotter stuff can feck off to the thread you linked though.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk




  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    I would say that bus stop infrastructure and on the buses themselves very much fits this thread.

    Yes, that is my view. BusConnects is about modernising our bus service. That includes network reorg and the upcoming infrastructure works, but also integrated ticketing, next gen ticketing, bus stop infrastructure, RTPI, apps, new bus depots, EV bus chargers, bus operating model and even some high level fleet discussions like the electric buses.

    I don't want posters to feel they can't post about these other parts of BusConnects.

    Even some fleet discussion at a high level is fine IMO. Like if someone wants to suggest we should buy some new triaxles or BRT's for particularly busy route or want to discuss the single deckers going on the O. Just not the super granular on which individual bus on which route.

    If you go back to the start of this thread, all of the above topics have been discussed from day one.

    As an aside, sigh, how depressing is it that I posted this 8 years ago!:

    Mostly the things that many of us have long been waiting for, hopefully it won't take long to implement them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,712 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    It won’t happen until the Lucan Core Bus Corridor starts construction.

    That isn’t one of the first four corridors so it will be some years away yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭trellheim


    then I will test the water !

    I see the odd single decker electric out and about e.g. on the 99 into the phoenix park , are they ready to enter squadron service on the O . That reminds me - did they do deconfliction testing at the top of Steevens lane to ensure the tram and the bus wont hit each other on the tight bend there ( and for the S2 doubledeckers as well now I come to think of it )

    With the broad mention above that the orbital might get going I've seen no action get started on the signalling changes at Heuston but I've not been down there for the last week or two



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,712 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    I think that there has to be some common sense and discretion applied when it comes to using the front doors for exiting the bus for people with prams/buggies or for older people. It’s not as black and white as some people make out.

    The ability of buses to kneel down only works at the front door for example. That makes it easier for older people or people with mobility issues at stops where there is no Kassel kerbing for example.

    A lot of stops here are still not properly designed for full centre door operation, with the result that you can have a variety of obstacles to deal with.

    At one of my local stops for example, it is impossible for a bus to line up parallel with the kerb due to the road layout, meaning that there is a massive step down onto the road and then up again onto the path where there is Kassel kerbing. That’s fine for anyone able bodied or with no bags, but awful for anyone who needs the bus to be lined up. The front door is the only option for many people there.

    There are also still quite a few stops around the city where there are railings where the centre doors tend to open, or incredibly where there are parked cars blocking access to the kerb.

    There’s quite a way to go yet with this unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭davetherave


    >

    As an aside, sigh, how depressing is it that I posted this 8 years ago!:

    Mostly the things that many of us have long been waiting for, hopefully it won't take long to implement them.

    Yeah, possible naïvety on my part, but thinking back to Jared Walkers initial plan back then. At the time, I used to get on a bus going into the city centre, go five stops, and then change to a bus also going into the city centre but via a different main road to avoid a load of schools and traffic on my own bus route. His plan would (and still will, once that route gets going) will do what I was doing at the time. Didn't renew my annual bus taxsaver ticket in January, waiting until June for the cheaper newer Bus/Rail/Luas one. But what I do now, taking advantage of the leap 90 that I couldn't before because I only had a bus ticket, is get on an orbital to a luas and get the luas in to city centre. Can't guarantee the bus won't be full and not stop, and if I do, it'll just be sitting in traffic. And Bus to Luas, and Luas to O'Connell Street gets me in quicker than Bus to Eden Quay area.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    No sign of the EA's on the 99 according to bustimes.org, December was the last time any of them was tracked being used on any DB route!

    Perhaps the ones you saw were doing test runs. Hopefully we will see them on the road soon and the O start up.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Genuinely saw a silent single decker on the route the week before last or thereabouts outside the Aras with the 99 route on the sign , people getting onto it from the stop



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,623 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Possibly using a ticket machine from a different bus or a ticket machine that isn't registering with Bustimes yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,880 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    There's a thread on Reddit from yesterday saying there's been a load of cancellations occurring on the 4, 7 & 7a within the past month. Has there been any major issues occurring in Donnybrook recently which has seen all of these buses cancelled?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,769 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    Personally I know of nearly ten drivers including myself that have all left in the last 3 weeks from Donnybrook alone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭hfjm20


    Why's that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭halfpastneverr


    Are Go Ahead any better to work for in terms of work/life balance? they don't have any 24 hour routes yet which probably helps straight away with no night shifts required in Dublin. I have heard there's awful bother with new DB drivers waiting years to get on a decent roster that hits driver retention there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,769 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    Myself and another have gone to Irish Rail, two others from other depots are in our class too. The rest are retirements and relatively new drivers not happy with being given so many night duties that overlap into normal ones so they're essentially going to work twice in one day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    They're nowhere near as bad as their reputation would suggest, but they're definitely no better to work for. They have a couple of very good rosters though - if you don't mind working long days. Long days, but with a mixture of four and five day weeks. On some rosters, you get six consecutive days off every 12 weeks or so. But you do long days in between. They have a few split rosters and late rosters too. They're also getting some city centre routes in the near future (off the top of my head, I've heard they're getting the 7, the 44, the 65, the 123 and several others), so it's likely that the next pay negotiations will result in the gap to DB closing even further.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭hfjm20


    Is there any update on the OOMA tender actually. I remember seeing in this thread that Go Ahead had won the tender for those routes



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,712 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    There will be routes moving to GAI but from everything I’ve seen it will only be as the next phases happen. In other words it’s likely to be the BusConnects routes rather than current routes.

    Wires got somewhat crossed before I believe.

    So it would be the new 73 rather than the 123, the hourly 98 rather than the 7 (Dublin Bus would still have the B Spine and the high frequency L22) , the Ranelagh radials rather than the 44 and so on.

    That way both companies gain - as Dublin Bus expands frequencies on the Spines for example.



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