Is Elon Musk hurting Tesla? (Mod Note Post #1)

Adding complexity is what’s required though.

Tesla have never addressed how they will solve the in-journey camera-cleaning problem.

the “what ifs” are just too serious when it comes to camera lenses, outside of simply having the FSD software 100.00% accurate - rain, dust, dirt, sun glare, and so on and on and on - all these basic things that happen in most journeys need to be layered on top of everything that the software can currently do.

In a rain storm for example, a camera-only system is effectively blinded, right when you need it most - and Tesla have no system redundancy to address that.

This is why waymo and the other serious players use lidar alongside cameras - it provides redundancy and accuracy

Model Y was the best selling car last .month in China so I think they're doing ok in that market

Haha.

People ar saying that FSD 13 is a large improvement, handling heavy rain quite well.

Cameras should be equal to eyes in theory so if a person can drive in a particular situation, then cameras should also. I certainly have to slow to a crawl in thunderstorm rain (once or twice a year).

If you can demonstrate an acceptable level of safety, it doesn't matter what technology is used, you just pass the test. You probably won't achieve zero risk but you might be 10 times better than humans. If that can be acheived with just cameras, is it not good enough? Also, one assumes the system should recognise when it becomes impaired and apply safety procedures.

I mentioned earlier that humans cannot really use 3D (parallax) past a few meters distance. After that, it's solely brain analysis of 2D video.

I don't really squint while driving and avoid head-movement, while looking in the general forward direction, as that impairs the brains ability to analyse. Of course I do turn to look out the side when necessary because I only have two eyes that point forwards.

you’re not addressing the shortcomings of FSD that I pointed out in that post.

A couple of cameras isn’t a drop in substitute for what a human eye/eyelids and movement can do. Not to mind the brain sitting behind those eyes!

It’s like saying a horse is as good as a car because they both get you from a-b

I saw EM being interviewed close to tears wondering how people could want to wreck someone's car.

What these people never understand it is not the car, no-one cares about the car. It's what the car represents as a product of the individual that is running DOGE and wrecking livelihoods with an almost childish enthusiasm.

So much damage has been done that I doubt stepping aside as CEO of Tesla will help either. As long as he is gutting everything through DOGE it will be a company that is loathed by many. I wouldn't touch one.

DT was bigly smart to get EM to do all his dirty work and take the heat.

Lol.

Supposedly the fall in sales in Sweden:

Here's the TeZla losing ground in Sweden this March 2025:

ModelY: -61.9%

Model 3: -70%

Model S: -94%

Lol, hardly. Buyers in Europe and elsewhere don't really care about DOGE. The stench of Elon, his views, and his actions, will continue to taint Tesla cars and will not suddenly increase their prices, whether he's pretending to reduce US public sector inefficiencies with bogus facts and lies, or not.

Elon dropped the PR department of Tesla a long time ago. Like it or not his public image is indelibly linked to Tesla's image. It's unfair on their employees but their brand is turning toxic. In addition their cars despite the refresh are no longer leaps and bounds ahead of the competition.

But yes there may be a good deal to be had if you can hold your nose. :-)

isn’t that down more to their sales process than anything, I’m pretty sure if they had a network of dealers they’d sell buckets more, they’ve only 2 garages in the county, if they set up another few it would make a huge difference to sales. You can only do so much with an online only strategy.

Yeah similar numbers to Mazda, Volvo, Lexus, Citroen, Cupra, Seat, Opel, Mercedes, Suzuki etc ... When comparing total sales. Are they all just noise level as well, what a funny statement. Tesla had 1/6 of EV sales last year which is hardly insignificant.

That's a higher percentage of EVs than Toyota had of the overall market for comparison. Are Toyota an insignificant noise in the ICE market?